More fun times in WoD

[Kuurei]

Y'know, I wanna say you all are mean for all this stuff that happens in WoD....but after FIVE CT runs, I am starting to understand the need to troll that place. It is unreal.

[ElHeggunte]

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That's just the thing though. It isn't necessary for skilled players such as yourself or the OP, but we're not talking about skilled players. I'm talking about the majority of the other people you get in your DF groups. For the average FFXIV player those bonuses that you think are insignificant can make or break their entire performance. Or the lack of a stone would take their poor performance and make it even worse. My beef with this thread is the idea that X player or group clearing content without stones somehow means that it's a good idea for anyone to attempt anywhere.

[Lyrinn]

No, this attitude needs to stop. A healer's job is to heal things. It is OPTIONAL for a healer to dps. It's nice when a healer feels comfortable enough to help contribute to damage dealt, but you should not be pressuring that player to do it. If it's necessary for clearing the latest coil or something, that's different. I personally would be bored to tears if I didn't DPS in dungeons/WoD/etc. on white mage and scholar, but some people prefer to only heal and may not have the experience or coordination to do both.

Name one other job that's essentially allowed to afk in the middle of a battle. Oh right, there isn't one. So why should healers be treated any differently? Look at an off-tank for example. His job is to pick up adds. Would you object to an off-tank standing around doing nothing, i.e. not DPSing, when there are no adds to pick up? Bet you 99.9% of people would. Hypocrites.

The whole "healing full-time" argument might have had merit ... if there were actually healers who did just that - heal people in the other two parties, raise, stoneskin, something, anything productive. Instead, you typically get 4 healers not in the MT group who just watch and wait for someone in their own parties to die before doing something.

Anyways, on-topic: when people with their soul stones equipped perform better than someone on a class, then they have the right to complain. Until then, all these WAR/PLDs who can't pick up adds or hold hate, sub-200 DPS everything, and WHM/SCH who do nothing but spam Medica II/afk-fairy-heal can go work on carrying their own weights first.

[Aethaeryn]

Name one other job that's essentially allowed to afk in the middle of a battle. Oh right, there isn't one. So why should healers be treated any differently? Look at an off-tank for example. His job is to pick up adds. Would you object to an off-tank standing around doing nothing, i.e. not DPSing, when there are no adds to pick up? Bet you 99.9% of people would. Hypocrites.

The whole "healing full-time" argument might have had merit ... if there were actually healers who did just that - heal people in the other two parties, raise, stoneskin, something, anything productive. Instead, you typically get 4 healers not in the MT group who just watch and wait for someone in their own parties to die before doing something.

You're missing my point. Trying to force someone to dps on healer when they are not comfortable with it is wrong. If it's just someone being lazy, that's completely different and I even agree with you. However, we have people from all sorts of gaming background (and lots who have never touched an MMORPG before FFXIV), and some people may lack the coordination required for multitasking heals and dps as a result. Have you never had a dungeon run with a healer that seemed to struggle to keep the party alive even during non-speedrun pulls? Just because it's easy for you or me doesn't mean it is for everyone else. You can't apply that argument to an offtank standing around or a dps going afk in the middle of a fight.

Similarly, I would never complain if a tank was uncomfortable with speedrunning and didn't want to pull more than one or two groups at a time. However, almost every time I have a dungeon like that, someone will harass the tank for not doing "big pulls" or even try to pull for them, and it turns into a bad time for the entire group. If you want some super fast group, make your own party and stop harassing people in duty finder.

[Darra]

Name one other job that's essentially allowed to afk in the middle of a battle. Oh right, there isn't one. So why should healers be treated any differently? Look at an off-tank for example.

I afk all the time in WOD as a tank, I always pull the first trash pack hastily, then the first boss, because I hate my time being wasted by half a dozen ready checks and for paladins to stoneskin their entire party. After that I spend 70% of my time auto-attacking because I find that place fills me with a sense of ennui, so I tab out. If my measly 250dps is enough to prevent a wipe, well that's one awful group of 15 DPS. When I go in as a Scholar, unless I am in the MT group, I mostly afk it too, I also wouldn't object to an AFK off tank, it means I actually get a bit of a challenge with healing or using Fluid Aura + Repose.

[silverhope]

I afk all the time in WOD as a tank, I always pull the first trash pack hastily, then the first boss, because I hate my time being wasted by half a dozen ready checks and for paladins to stoneskin their entire party. After that I spend 70% of my time auto-attacking because I find that place fills me with a sense of ennui, so I tab out. If my measly 250dps is enough to prevent a wipe, well that's one awful group of 15 DPS. When I go in as a Scholar, unless I am in the MT group, I mostly afk it too, I also wouldn't object to an AFK off tank, it means I actually get a bit of a challenge with healing or using Fluid Aura + Repose.

so if adds need to be picked up or MT dies you dont much care? lovley. and this is why I have to heal every group and rez everyone that dies cuz other healers are jsut afk guess im the fool.

[Darra]

If the MT dies (a rare occurrence), I pick up the boss, assuming it wasn't me tanking it to begin with. Adds in ST and WOD really do not require a tank to tank them, about the only exception is when a bad white mage spams Medica 2 and ends up having to tank/kite 3-4 mobs. WOD, ST and CT are a joke for how easy they are, (most wipes are impossible to prevent as a healer, we don't have a "Cure Stupidity" spell, nor do we have a "Regen Ability to DPS Properly" spell) it's obvious that during any given run at least 4-5 people are afk or semi-afk, barely playing because there is no need for them to do so. I personally welcome more healers be lazy, I might have to try (and actually have fun) then rather than run about pretending like I'm doing my job.

[Mugiawara]

I afk all the time in WOD as a tank, I always pull the first trash pack hastily, then the first boss, because I hate my time being wasted by half a dozen ready checks and for paladins to stoneskin their entire party. After that I spend 70% of my time auto-attacking because I find that place fills me with a sense of ennui, so I tab out. If my measly 250dps is enough to prevent a wipe, well that's one awful group of 15 DPS. When I go in as a Scholar, unless I am in the MT group, I mostly afk it too, I also wouldn't object to an AFK off tank, it means I actually get a bit of a challenge with healing or using Fluid Aura + Repose.

I don't have much against OP doing what she does because she's actually trying and healing, so I say go for it. I'll probably have a harder time in WoD but eh...
You on the other hand...and if I am readind this correctly...
The rest of us are trying to do our job and you sittin' over there chilling.
Don't queue for a healer if you aren't going to do your job any. It's your job, you heal.
You don't sit and afk. Eos ain't enough. WoD is easy but there's no reason why you should make it
harder on everyone else especially your team healer. [Admittedly, healing is not that hard there, but when crap hits the fan we'll need you.]
Also it's probably harder to heal as a WHM because they need to take care of their MP management better than us SCH. You're stressing them.
You can also help the other team heal and res as well. You don't ALWAYS focus your own alliance.

[Elusana_Celah]

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So basically your fear is that sucky worthless players will be given false ideas that running classes over jobs will magically make them not suck anymore?

Sorry to burst your bubble but whether they're jobs or classes matters not. If they suck, they suck and they're still going to waste your time wiping your raids anyways. World of Dumbasses is what I've dubbed it. Queueing it is a RNG of its own.

[Waffilicious]

I've seen WAR going as MRD for OT job and it works better than WAR in doing dps and tanking. (when OT)