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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilraen View Post
    Apparently the OP and his scant supporters don't understand clearly defined arguments to I'll just break it down to it's simplest. iL can't cure stupid. iL is not a measure of skill, it's a measure of tenacity. You can push yourself up to iL 115 without ever touching any of the truly difficult content. Square did that on purpose so those NOT running the truly difficult content can catch up to those who do. But... iL can't cure stupid. Steps of Faith can never be won... if you're stupid.
    Yes, but having ilevel 90 gear means you have barely done much of anything yet. You were literally carried through some of the dungeons. That is a nice way of saying it.

    Some times a little work is nice. However when you come at a bare minimum you are holding back everyone else. It is a teamwork fight but having that gear means you have some idea of how to play your class, what moves you can use and you have done the dungeons where all those dragons strats COME from.

    ilevel 90 is extremely fresh.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zfz View Post
    Quite frankly...

    Asking to raise the iLv requirement, or to have the fight taken out of Trial Roulette, is the same thing as asking for first timers to be barred from the DF completely---you just want quick runs, fast runs, easy runs where everyone's experienced.

    Asking for Vishap's HP to be reduced or Cannons/Dragon Slayer damage to be boosted is basically saying, "I can't do the gimmicks right, please make my wrong way the right way."

    Now the argument that you don't feel powerful in this fight, that is a whole different matter and I actually agree with that. Whether we are supposed to feel powerful against Vishap, perhaps the answer lies in the lore.
    Honestly saying a fight can only be done one way and shouldn't be done another is a silly matter in itself. There should be multiple ways of succeeding something, not just one. Making it one way just makes it an unfun chore. There should always be multiple ways to tackle a boss, and honestly that is what is lacking in FFXIV. There is always mostly only one way to do something, making players feel not clever or right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    Yes, but having ilevel 90 gear means you have barely done much of anything yet. You were literally carried through some of the dungeons. That is a nice way of saying it.

    Some times a little work is nice. However when you come at a bare minimum you are holding back everyone else. It is a teamwork fight but having that gear means you have some idea of how to play your class, what moves you can use and you have done the dungeons where all those dragons strats COME from.

    ilevel 90 is extremely fresh.
    Or it's someone saving up soldiery/poetics, and has crap luck with lots. At i90, it's still possible they have completed WoD and up to t7 of coil. Low ilevel doesn't mean you're stupid or fresh. Could also be a second character that's rushing through it.
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    "Yes, but..." doesn't really change anything. Square beat Steps of Faith at iL 90, players in iL 120~ lose frequently... it's not about how much damage you can soak, it's about using the many varied tools at your disposal. There's cannons, dragonators, ballista binders, unlimited respawns... all you have to do is use them intelligently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilraen View Post
    Square beat Steps of Faith at iL 90.
    "Ilvl" 90 for square can be different than "Ilvl" 90 for said new player. Said new player could be sporting ilevel 70 gear, and ilevel 100 crafted gear with no materia, while "Ilvl" 90 square is probably in high end level 90 gear, and maybe crafted gear with full materia, or sporting an ilevel 100-110 weapon and a mix of lower stuff. It depends on what they were all wearing. Can you show me a video of them doing it so I can see their health, and their stats and the gear they actually used? ilevel means a lot, but it doesn't tell you what gear they were actually USING.

    They could of been using full i90 allagan gear with a higher ilvl weapon, which is much MUCH better then typical ilvl 90 crafted gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    They could of been using full i90 allagan gear with a higher ilvl weapon, which is much MUCH better then typical ilvl 90 crafted gear.
    Wow... you know not how iL is measured. It's an average of all your gear, not just armor. Also... what? Crafted is worse? You do know that the advantage of crafted gear is performing beyond dungeon gear through the use of materia. It's how Blue Garter trounced Final Coil weeks before anyone else. Also, Coil, in it's original state, was bested in Darklight. People STILL have a hard time against Twintania in iL 120~! You're confusing iL with skill... and it's sad. Really sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    Yes, but having ilevel 90 gear means you have barely done much of anything yet. You were literally carried through some of the dungeons. That is a nice way of saying it.
    It's actually pretty presumptuous. If the player is putting in their fair share, they're not being carried.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    It is a teamwork fight but having that gear means you have some idea of how to play your class, what moves you can use and you have done the dungeons where all those dragons strats COME from.
    Increasing ilevel will still not help.
    What can help a little is making Stone Vigil (hard) a requirement for it. It will teach people that the turtles are stunnabe and that you should use cannons if there are cannons to use.
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    Last edited by Felis; 04-19-2015 at 10:05 PM.