Specialist System in 3.0

[Twilite]

Needs more information. . . but if this is what I think it is, I'll stop crafting.

[Nashred]

Needs more information. . . but if this is what I think it is, I'll stop crafting.

Well for me it wont be just ending crafting I will quit the game. I am still open minded on all this because they really have left it wide open to speculation and I am not sure anyone really understands yet fully what is going on.
But for me crafting saved me on this game because I find the rest of the game boring and so repetitive. I liked it from zero to 50 but then everything became the same and forced to do it over and over.

[RiceisNice]

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Have you done any 3-4★ crafting? You need a good amount of IQ stacks to be able to get a good rate of HQ for high level crafts. PbP, inno, CZ and CSII are also pretty damn essential; even if you start at 394 CP, thats nowhere near enough if you have to use up more steps for progression and less for quality.

[Twilite]

Well for me it wont be just ending crafting I will quit the game. I am still open minded on all this because they really have left it wide open to speculation and I am not sure anyone really understands yet fully what is going on.
But for me crafting saved me on this game because I find the rest of the game boring and so repetitive. I liked it from zero to 50 but then everything became the same and forced to do it over and over.

I suppose one good way to prepare for this in advance is to research what your "main" or favorite if you will, craft needs from another craft the most, and then decide that craft to be the 2nd specialization, and the 3rd being the least needed for your favorite.

In my case, that's WVR > CRP > LTW(mainly for handling your own gear, up to AF). This doesn't escape the problem your other 2 crafts will face though, but it's a start.

But yeah, needs more information, and we're probably not gonna know full details til next month or some time in June before release.

[Sibyll]

Only one essential is carpenter(byrgot's).

Nice to have are armorer (pbp), goldsmith(innovation), Alchemist(comfort zone), blacksmith(ingenuity ii)

Not needed at all: culinarian(reclaim)...

I'm assuming this is if you don't want to do anything higher than 2*, unless you are saying it's a good idea to do Mastercraft II books without Reclaim and with PbP and Comfort Zone being optional. How are you building IQ stacks for your Byregot's? Basic Touch 11 times?

[GenJoe]

I'm assuming this is if you don't want to do anything higher than 2*, unless you are saying it's a good idea to do Mastercraft II books without Reclaim and with PbP and Comfort Zone being optional. How are you building IQ stacks for your Byregot's? Basic Touch 11 times?

Well I suppose it is possible to do what he's talking about.. Not all cross classes are 100% necessary.. But to reach the level of understanding in crafting without actually having done all 8 classes to level 50, requires a special breed of people.. Also, lots and lots of research plus simulator work. At which point, the endeavor becomes a more hardcore one than to just level all 8 and certainly not for a casual crafter.

[scarebearz]

Only one essential is carpenter(byrgot's).

Nice to have are armorer (pbp), goldsmith(innovation), Alchemist(comfort zone), blacksmith(ingenuity ii)

Not needed at all: culinarian(reclaim), Leather worker(waste not ii), weaver(careful synth ii)

For unlocking Master II books PbP is pretty much essential, unless you want to waste a lot of mats.

For my Alt, I waited until I had Carp, Arm and Alch 50 (cul 37 and rest 15) before unlocking the master II books, I was using the quest mainhand tool and easily got 3HQ before I made 5 NQ (for supra).

So I think I could have done them without Alch 50, but could not have without Byregot's and PbP. (though I agree PbP is not needed for "normal" 3*/4* crafts, but you need to unlock 4* first xD)

If people already have their Supra tool, Reclaim makes a lot of sence.

[LineageRazor]

For folks criticizing ZephyrZ's post, bear in mind that he's not saying that those level 50 cross-class skills aren't insanely useful, just that they're not NECESSARY. Not having them will reduce your success rate, but not eliminate it. Though, by that same token, I'd bump his suggestion that BB is "necessary" down to "Nice to have". After all, you can complete even Masterbook II's without it - you just won't ever make it higher than 20% quality rate, barring an insane string of Goods or Excellents (and maybe not even then).

(I'd also personally swap Ingenuity II and Careful Synthesis II in his list of priorities; the former just isn't useful after 2-star, and 2-star can easily be completed without it and for the latter, well, a powerful, guaranteed Synthesis move is so very nice to have, especially if you're not sure you're going to have Steady Hand available at the end of the synth. That's just me, though...)

It's evident that he knows how to endgame craft, and well enough that he knows what things COULD be sacrificed in a pinch. It's obvious that having all crafts to 50 is the best way to go in the long run - but it's not the only way.

[GenJoe]

eta: I should say it's not the making HQ that bugs me, it's how unforgiving RNG makes it at the high levels. You fuck up once, get only 9 stacks of IQ instead of 10? Well, reclaim and hope you get your mats back... ><
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RNG isn't quite THAT brutal.. There's a lot of leeway. Of course, on the off chance that it does mess with ya (failing Rapid Synth 4 times in a row.. followed by 3 more failures of HT.. ) there really isn't much else you can do. But that's very rare

[RiceisNice]

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In our current crafting circumstances, its HQ or bust; NQ items (with the sole exception of supra tokens and furnishings), are typically worth less than the materials used to craft it (even when it comes to glamour on my server...an arachne robe can cost 1mil when it uses at least 1.3mil in mats).

I'd say the craft would have to be HQ to be considered successful...