New Jobs Gated Behind Completion of 2.0 Story?

[Mirakumi]

Most of new players (including my friend, who I have mentioned seveal times in this thread) have pre-ordered the bundle. They're not going to get it till June.

They have enough time to get there. If they pre-ordered you should be able to do early access with them and help them level. Unless you don't care about your friends. as much as you preech

[Bluevann]

They have enough time to get there. If they pre-ordered you should be able to do early access with them and help them level. Unless you don't care about your friends. as much as you preech

So many free insults, thank you very much.

I'd help him if he decided to rush through the MSQ, but thing is, he doesn't. Both he and I like the story a lot, so much that I intend to make an alt to redo it with him. His plea (and mine), was that we'd be able to do it as MAC and DRK. He never bought ARR before because it had no great sword job, and preferred to stay in XI instead. Now that he knows of DRK, he's very ready to make the jump. But sadly, the way the HW jobs are set up now, he'll be forced to do the MSQ as a class he does not like. Can you really blame players with these feelings? I think not.

[Mirakumi]

My friend also watched all the cutscenes. I ran each dungeon with him and let him watch it. You really are not making sense to me. Just level in the same area.

If He doesn't like any of the classes now what makes you so absolutely positive hes going to "LOVE" the new classes.

Also DRK in XI is different from the DRK in FFXIV. Ones a dd, ones a tank.

[Bluevann]

My friend also watched all the cutscenes. I ran each dungeon with him and let him watch it. You really are not making sense to me. Just level in the same area.

If He doesn't like any of the classes now what makes you so absolutely positive hes going to "LOVE" the new classes.

Also DRK in XI is different from the DRK in FFXIV. Ones a dd, ones a tank.

He likes the great sword aspect of it, not the role itself. He's always played RPGs only because he is a great sword enthusiast. He doesn't need anything else to decide he loves a class.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

He likes the great sword aspect of it, not the role itself. He's always played RPGs only because he is a great sword enthusiast. He doesn't need anything else to decide he loves a class.

This is one part of the game I dislike, I wish for glamoured weapons that can be used for every class. For example Maces for Paladin/Gladiator, Hammers and Mauls, Greatswords for Warriors. Such like that.

Katana's for Ninja, ect ect...

[Viridiana]

What... none of the guildhests are anything like the strategies in dungeons, they are closer to solo quests in the main storyline then anything else. They teach you absolutely nothing about dungeons or raids

Bull****.

Enemy Strongholds teaches you that enemies sometimes spawn out of nowhere, which you'll see again in Stone Vigil. It also teaches the tank how to save the healer from adds that spawn mid-fight, like you'll see in Sastasha, Tam-Tara, Copperbell, Toto-Rak, Haukke, Brayflox, Qarn, Cutter's Cry, Dzemael, Aurum Vale, and the list goes on.

Hero on the Halfshell continues the "pick up adds" thing, and introduces two new things: healer enemies and luring mobs to particular spots. Healer enemies you find in Cutter's Cry, Garuda Hard Mode, and others. Luring enemies to particular spots before they die returns in Qarn, Titan Extreme, Garuda Extreme, Leviathan Extreme,

Pulling Poison Posies teaches tanks to pull enemies out of puddle AOEs. Brayflox, Stone Vigil, Praetorium, Copperbell Hard, etc.

Flicking Sticks and Taking names is almost exactly the opening section to Copperbell Hard Mode.

Annoy the Void teaches you that immune bosses sometimes have mechanics you have to do to damage them, such as Dzemael's Batraal.

Ward Up tests your ability to weaken enemies to near death before killing them all, such as you'll see in Moggle Mog Extreme.

Solemn Trinity teaches you that sometimes you have to keep enemies apart, like in. . .I dunno? T9 Golems, maybe? Definitely something you see in Garuda Extreme.

But, no, the strategies in guildhests are nothing like dungeon strategies. Do go on. . .

[Nektulos-Tuor]

By that logic: Final Fantasy and World of Warcraft are exactly the same game. They both have Levels, Mechanics, Scripts, Circle AOEs. If I played one I should be a master of the other right?

Wrong!

Even though they feature the same mechanics, the way they are, placement and everything is completely different.

Enemy Strongholds

You mean the rubbish trash I tank as a healer? Those are not strategies, thats just adaptability and tactics. Also that really doesn't teach the tank anything. Most of the time in that dungeon from what i've ran as a healer (when I was doing it low levels.) the DPS or "I" the healer tanked it. It didn't leave a significant impression on me, and the trash in those zones listed were such a joke I barely remember it. It didn't give me a clue on how to deal with real challenges in the game, like dungeon bosses and raiding. I had to learn the new mechanics for each fight. Why else would people say you need to watch youtube videos before doing some fights? I guess its because *gasp!* the game doesn't show you enough?

Hero on the Halfshell

They arn't, they are completely different in a significant way. Sure you could argue that it teaches you how to "Pick up adds." however, the player storyline (base storyline quest) does that 100 times better especially for NPCs you have to save, and you learn that easily enough in your first dungeon you do. It teaches you a lot more then everything the guildhests will ever teach you.

Everquest 1 and 2 had a much better way of teaching people, contested low level dungeons like Black-burrow were fun interesting zones that had pretty much every one of those strategies with mini bosses and wandering mobs. It saddens me that there are no contested dungeons these days.

[Mirakumi]

He likes the great sword aspect of it, not the role itself. He's always played RPGs only because he is a great sword enthusiast. He doesn't need anything else to decide he loves a class.

If he came from WoW, he most likely waited for 55 for Dark Knight. It was the same in FFXI you had to wait till level 30.
So he's obviously grinded out another class before he's stepped into the great sword job. So please give me another excuse why he cannot play another class if he's done so in the past.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

If he came from WoW, he most likely waited for 55 for Dark Knight. It was the same in FFXI you had to wait till level 30.
So he's obviously grinded out another class before he's stepped into the great sword job. So please give me another excuse why he cannot play another class if he's done so in the past.

Uhm... this is called "Assuming", you took his love for greatswords. However what you don't know is there are more classes then just DK who can use Great Swords, perhaps he mained or mains a Paladin or Warrior? Who started at level 1, they can use great swords.

Please do not take things out of context as a means to insult others. When you need to insult someone, please use "Facts" instead of assumptions. Its a much proper way to do it, thank you. =)

No one was allowed into Ishgard prior to 2.55, so why would anyone be able to willy-nilly waltz in from the get-go?

Maybe they are somehow related to the main character or something - it would simply be a new story.

[Mirakumi]

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I'm not insulting them. Stop labeling it as that.
I'm trying to figure out why he is so die-hard on just leveling one class.
This game makes it so you can level multiple ones.
Sure the new classes are gated, but there are so many good other ones to play with.
I just don't understand how someone can say because I love staffs I don't want to play X class. I just want my class.
It sounds very selfish.