New Jobs Gated Behind Completion of 2.0 Story?

[Mirakumi]

My friend also watched all the cutscenes. I ran each dungeon with him and let him watch it. You really are not making sense to me. Just level in the same area.

If He doesn't like any of the classes now what makes you so absolutely positive hes going to "LOVE" the new classes.

Also DRK in XI is different from the DRK in FFXIV. Ones a dd, ones a tank.

[Bluevann]

My friend also watched all the cutscenes. I ran each dungeon with him and let him watch it. You really are not making sense to me. Just level in the same area.

If He doesn't like any of the classes now what makes you so absolutely positive hes going to "LOVE" the new classes.

Also DRK in XI is different from the DRK in FFXIV. Ones a dd, ones a tank.

He likes the great sword aspect of it, not the role itself. He's always played RPGs only because he is a great sword enthusiast. He doesn't need anything else to decide he loves a class.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

He likes the great sword aspect of it, not the role itself. He's always played RPGs only because he is a great sword enthusiast. He doesn't need anything else to decide he loves a class.

This is one part of the game I dislike, I wish for glamoured weapons that can be used for every class. For example Maces for Paladin/Gladiator, Hammers and Mauls, Greatswords for Warriors. Such like that.

Katana's for Ninja, ect ect...

[Viridiana]

What... none of the guildhests are anything like the strategies in dungeons, they are closer to solo quests in the main storyline then anything else. They teach you absolutely nothing about dungeons or raids

Bull****.

Enemy Strongholds teaches you that enemies sometimes spawn out of nowhere, which you'll see again in Stone Vigil. It also teaches the tank how to save the healer from adds that spawn mid-fight, like you'll see in Sastasha, Tam-Tara, Copperbell, Toto-Rak, Haukke, Brayflox, Qarn, Cutter's Cry, Dzemael, Aurum Vale, and the list goes on.

Hero on the Halfshell continues the "pick up adds" thing, and introduces two new things: healer enemies and luring mobs to particular spots. Healer enemies you find in Cutter's Cry, Garuda Hard Mode, and others. Luring enemies to particular spots before they die returns in Qarn, Titan Extreme, Garuda Extreme, Leviathan Extreme,

Pulling Poison Posies teaches tanks to pull enemies out of puddle AOEs. Brayflox, Stone Vigil, Praetorium, Copperbell Hard, etc.

Flicking Sticks and Taking names is almost exactly the opening section to Copperbell Hard Mode.

Annoy the Void teaches you that immune bosses sometimes have mechanics you have to do to damage them, such as Dzemael's Batraal.

Ward Up tests your ability to weaken enemies to near death before killing them all, such as you'll see in Moggle Mog Extreme.

Solemn Trinity teaches you that sometimes you have to keep enemies apart, like in. . .I dunno? T9 Golems, maybe? Definitely something you see in Garuda Extreme.

But, no, the strategies in guildhests are nothing like dungeon strategies. Do go on. . .

[Nektulos-Tuor]

By that logic: Final Fantasy and World of Warcraft are exactly the same game. They both have Levels, Mechanics, Scripts, Circle AOEs. If I played one I should be a master of the other right?

Wrong!

Even though they feature the same mechanics, the way they are, placement and everything is completely different.

Enemy Strongholds

You mean the rubbish trash I tank as a healer? Those are not strategies, thats just adaptability and tactics. Also that really doesn't teach the tank anything. Most of the time in that dungeon from what i've ran as a healer (when I was doing it low levels.) the DPS or "I" the healer tanked it. It didn't leave a significant impression on me, and the trash in those zones listed were such a joke I barely remember it. It didn't give me a clue on how to deal with real challenges in the game, like dungeon bosses and raiding. I had to learn the new mechanics for each fight. Why else would people say you need to watch youtube videos before doing some fights? I guess its because *gasp!* the game doesn't show you enough?

Hero on the Halfshell

They arn't, they are completely different in a significant way. Sure you could argue that it teaches you how to "Pick up adds." however, the player storyline (base storyline quest) does that 100 times better especially for NPCs you have to save, and you learn that easily enough in your first dungeon you do. It teaches you a lot more then everything the guildhests will ever teach you.

Everquest 1 and 2 had a much better way of teaching people, contested low level dungeons like Black-burrow were fun interesting zones that had pretty much every one of those strategies with mini bosses and wandering mobs. It saddens me that there are no contested dungeons these days.

[Viridiana]

You mean the rubbish trash I tank as a healer?

WTB video of you as a healer tanking a set of adds in More Than a Feeler. It's cool. I'll wait. Meanwhile, you can respond to the other five examples I gave. And maybe explain how Hero on the Halfshell is oh-so-different from the faces in Qarn.

[StouterTaru]

And maybe explain how Hero on the Halfshell is oh-so-different from the faces in Qarn.

If you kill the turtle you lose.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

WTB video of you as a healer tanking a set of adds in More Than a Feeler

Here you go miss 2,766 posts! Whats my prize?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1kmOj5Km7E
I will accept Gil, we are on the same server after all.

And maybe explain how Hero on the Halfshell is oh-so-different from the faces in Qarn.

If you kill the turtle you lose.

That was a good one

Another little detail is you just need to bring the Turtle near a place, where Qarn faces have to be EXACTLY ON A SPOT just right!

[Donarudo]

Things.

You know I left this forum last night on a good note by thanking you for our conversation. So let me get something straight. You have nearly played this game for a month correct? Everybody who has tried to have some sort of dialogue with you has been systematically slandered by you. Your comments are abrasive and you insight anger. Your tone if there is such a thing in text is borderline toxic at best. People have tried to reason with you and you still fight back. So hear it is...your the new guy a lot of us have been playing this game near 2+ years. A lot of us have different opinions then you do. I have given you facts others have given you facts and we have also given you opinions.

Instead you trash them and tell them how they are wrong. So there is a trend and the trend is your the one wrong not us. We have tried to convey to you through suggestions what we think of the game and what it has to offer. So say what you would like about me after this post I really don't care. In the end you will either still play this game or leave and find something better. People like you are more the problem then you are the solution. Instead of being so abrasive why can't you see things from other peoples points of views instead of saying their statements are complete BS. They call conversations like this a debate for a reason.

For you to talk down to everybody when you are the new person is just a selfish act and shows your inability to accept that others have a different view then you. I will state one more time the Tutorial tool in this game is bar none one of the better tutorials. I played EQ since its inception and I can assure you we didn't have a tutorial when it first launched we were tossed into the game and and told to have a great day. Also Eve Online until recently had one of the worst Tutorials a game had to offer....that is right they didn't have one. So take our advice and differences for whats its worth, but at least have the audacity to admit when you are clearly wrong. Thanks have a good day, and I hope you find what it is you are looking for.

[Jandor]

Also Eve Online until recently had one of the worst Tutorials a game had to offer....that is right they didn't have one.

Eve Online has always had tutorials, for the last half a decade at least. Fair enough up until recently they were admittedly terrible, but they've had at least something for quite a while now.