Please start the new jobs at level 1

[Mirakumi]

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Well that's how I think expansions should be. It should be about going to the next level from beyond ARR. It's always about a story. I really feel that people who expect to jump right into an expansion without experiencing its core game is not experiencing the game as it should be.

They are in the mind-set that everything should be handed to them.
Casual.

[Hyrist]

Well that's how I think expansions should be. It should be about going to the next level from beyond ARR. It's always about a story. I really feel that people who expect to jump right into an expansion without experiencing its core game is not experiencing the game as it should be.

They are in the mind-set that everything should be handed to them.
Casual.

Moon Kingdom is a casual FC, everyone is welcome, we are always looking for new friends to enjoy the game with. "Moon Prism Power, Make Up!" :P

Man, you must hate your own FC.

[Mirakumi]

Man, you must hate your own FC.

Hey sometimes I like to watch my animus. ^^

[Hyrist]

Hey sometimes I like to watch my animus. ^^

I will be very disappointed if you lack a magical stripping/reequipping macro.

About the Job gating. I want to see how it's implemented before I make a call.

[Mirakumi]

I will be very disappointed if you lack a magical stripping/reequipping macro.

About the Job gating. I want to see how it's implemented before I make a call.

I actually have a magical girl glamour and sometimes take long walks on the beach.
I do have in-game macros for my fan-gasms.

I'm just love a good story. For the new jobs to be open right away feels like it's not as adventerous as it should be. In games like FF6 per say, you go out and you look for this class. You aren't rewarded at the start with Shadow or whatever. You had to progress to earn. So this is what it's like for me. Opinions. Mine, sorry to intrude on some peoples gameplayu.

[Hyrist]

I actually have a magical girl glamour and sometimes take long walks on the beach.
I do have in-game macros for my fan-gasms.

I'm just love a good story. For the new jobs to be open right away feels like it's not as adventurous as it should be. In games like FF6 per say, you go out and you look for this class. You aren't rewarded at the start with Shadow or whatever. You had to progress to earn. So this is what it's like for me. Opinions. Mine, sorry to intrude on some peoples gameplayu.

Yeah, this is a matter of Preference and, hearing it explained in the matter of FF6, I can get your viewpoint. My worries is that the time/gameplay investment that it takes to get to a class someone will enjoy, especially if it is what makes people buy the game in the first place. We can argue luck of the draw, but why is Dragoon easily accessible when Dark Knight is not? I don't see a solid lore reason why these new jobs don't have envoys in ARR zones to start someone who's just getting level 30 on the path of those jobs. After all, Dragoon is an Ishgardian job, yet, we were able to learn skills due to one of the masters hanging out in Corethas Central Highlands.

The point is, we lack information to really make a Lore-based reasoning that these classes are not accessible outside of Heavensward zones. The lore of Dark Knight, Astrologian, and Mechanist may very well justify the decision - but we don't have access to any of that yet. That's why I'm holding on making an opinion.

[Gilthas]

Well that's how I think expansions should be. It should be about going to the next level from beyond ARR. It's always about a story. I really feel that people who expect to jump right into an expansion without experiencing its core game is not experiencing the game as it should be.

They are in the mind-set that everything should be handed to them.
Casual.

Oh please, stop with the ridiculous rhetoric.

Jobs not being gated behind 2.0's main storyline isn't people wanting stuff handed to them.

[Mirakumi]

Oh please, stop with the ridiculous rhetoric.

Jobs not being gated behind 2.0's main storyline isn't people wanting stuff handed to them.

It is if it disrupts the storyline just so you can play something you want.

[Gilthas]

It is if it disrupts the storyline just so you can play something you want.

I don't remember the addition of the RotZ, ToAU and WotG jobs disrupting the storyline of FFXI.

Like Nestama also pointed out, neither did the addition of ROG/NIN to FFXIV.

Hell, we're getting an entire new race with Heavensward that people can use to start the main storyline with. That has a crap load more potential to disrupt the storyline than the new jobs will.

You're just pulling stuff out of your rear now.

[Mirakumi]

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The difference between NIN I think is because DOMA came to us, while for Heavensward were actually going to them to learn it.

That's just my standpoint of where SE is going with it. You can argue in circles with me all day.