Will you quit if this game becomes raid-centric?

[odette]

Well, I didn't read many other posts, but I would like to ask.

Does the OP even play FFXI anymore?
HNMs in the "main world" are now popped with items you get from instanced KSNMs, the highly camped sky NMs that you need pop items from are pretty much manually popped now (and have been for a long time), just about every NM/HNM in abyssea is manually popped using KI you can usually get solo very easily through gold chests.

Also, even if the main world NMs were like the USED to be still. Who the hell camps NMs outside abyssea still? lol
All that gear is so very outdated. Even Ridill is bad compared to the 3-4 hit trial sword that has MORE dmg which you can get for FREE and SOLO.

Most things in FFXI are not instanced, but them being instanced would solve many complaints. I mean, which makes more sense to you, having an NM in an instanced area, or needing to make THREE ??? locations right by eachother to help popping congestion? I just don't understand the complaints by the OP.

yeah i love abyssea for it, i love the trails le chant de cygne ws
can i have it?
but many people wanna outher ffxi cop era, i see many people only play ffxi and never played another mmorpg

[Azurymber]

Well, I didn't read many other posts, but I would like to ask.

Does the OP even play FFXI anymore?
HNMs in the "main world" are now popped with items you get from instanced KSNMs, the highly camped sky NMs that you need pop items from are pretty much manually popped now (and have been for a long time), just about every NM/HNM in abyssea is manually popped using KI you can usually get solo very easily through gold chests.

Also, even if the main world NMs were like the USED to be still. Who the hell camps NMs outside abyssea still? lol
All that gear is so very outdated. Even Ridill is bad compared to the 3-4 hit trial sword that has MORE dmg which you can get for FREE and SOLO.

Most things in FFXI are not instanced, but them being instanced would solve many complaints. I mean, which makes more sense to you, having an NM in an instanced area, or needing to make THREE ??? locations right by eachother to help popping congestion? I just don't understand the complaints by the OP.

A lot of players hate ffxi now due to it turning to one big Abyssea instance. I don't want to see FFXIV go the same direction and never succeed. So i made this thread to see how people feel. I haven't complained anywhere....

[Nvr]

A lot of players hate ffxi now due to it turning to one big Abyssea instance. I don't want to see FFXIV go the same direction and never succeed. So i made this thread to see how people feel. I haven't complained anywhere....

I have never heard anyone complain about not being able to spend levels 55-75 killing the same damn birds, and I have never heard people complain that they can't wait durring a 3 hour window for an NM they need to kill with 4+ other groups of people wanting and needing the same thing. Anyone who complains about the changes to FFXI, which make it way more accecable to people, are either people that botted and did not have to worry about HNM claims, or are simply looking for something to complain about. If people want the old FFXi back, they can print out a picture of a Colibri, tape it to their wall, and stare at it for 3 hours. Keep in mind, these mindless xp camps were very often overcamped.

Are things easier to get in FFXI now? For sure.
But the reasons it was more difficult in the past are reasons that should not exist in games really. 7 day respawn timers with 5% droprates for the whole server to share. I really find it hard to believe that "A lot of player" miss that. Going by a % of FFXI players that dislike the changes to FFXI, I am sure it is a very small % of people that are just upset because they spent years doing mindless camping etc to get their gear and are now upset that people are getting better things easier. And I don't really care if those people are upset.

[Azurymber]

I have never heard anyone complain about not being able to spend levels 55-75 killing the same damn birds, and I have never heard people complain that they can't wait durring a 3 hour window for an NM they need to kill with 4+ other groups of people wanting and needing the same thing. Anyone who complains about the changes to FFXI, which make it way more accecable to people, are either people that botted and did not have to worry about HNM claims, or are simply looking for something to complain about. If people want the old FFXi back, they can print out a picture of a Colibri, tape it to their wall, and stare at it for 3 hours. Keep in mind, these mindless xp camps were very often overcamped.

Are things easier to get in FFXI now? For sure.
But the reasons it was more difficult in the past are reasons that should not exist in games really. 7 day respawn timers with 5% droprates for the whole server to share. I really find it hard to believe that "A lot of player" miss that. Going by a % of FFXI players that dislike the changes to FFXI, I am sure it is a very small % of people that are just upset because they spent years doing mindless camping etc to get their gear and are now upset that people are getting better things easier. And I don't really care if those people are upset.

A lot of people have complained about it.... Abyssea made the game into easy-mode and took out the exploration and wonder of ffxi.

One of the great things about FFXI was that nothing really came easy. Even at high levels getting through some areas was a challenge. When you got to a new zone or managed to sneak/invis past mobs to sky when the game first came out, you felt like you achieved something. When you got your AF armor by doing difficult quests that often required people's helps you felt like you earned it. Lots of agro mobs, interesting maps, the difficulty of levelling, rare gear, etc, made FFXI great. Even the missions felt more epic, like the 3-2 dragon or w/e. When you beat that you felt like you actually accomplished something. Also there were people in every zone in ffxi usually. When i quit last summer, most zones were dead because of abbysea (things may have changed since then)

FFXI is now easy-mode. You don't get the same sense of adventure you once did. Is that bad? not really, since it isn't attracting a whole lot of new players who would be the ones experiencing the adventure.
However FFXIV has gone the easy way from the start. There aren't really any mega-rare pieces of gear, there is almost no challenge, levelling up doesn't feel overly gratifying since its so easy, the world you actually utilize is really small. And if the game becomes raid centric the world won't really matter much, people will just care about going from Ul'dah to the raid spot. The world will stay empty like it is now.

[Raze]

However FFXIV has gone the easy way from the start. There aren't really any mega-rare pieces of gear, there is almost no challenge, levelling up doesn't feel overly gratifying since its so easy, the world you actually utilize is really small. And if the game becomes raid centric the world won't really matter much, people will just care about going from Ul'dah to the raid spot. The world will stay empty like it is now.

I'd recommend seeing a doctor and requesting an initial dose of 20-40mg Prozac daily.

[SilvertearRen]

Here's one thing that will get me to quit:

If Square Enix does not dump m'feckin' ClickandBuy when subscriptions kick in, I'm gone.

[Jinrya-Geki]

Depends. Do I have to keep playing the White mage in raids after patch 1.19 and 1.20? If I do, then I am kicking the exit door open. Not only that, but walking into the street and throwing my face into traffic, calling it a night.

[Tigercub]

*Generalized condescension*

I can honestly say I enjoyed those aspects of FFXI and all the things that came with them a lot more than I enjoy FFXI post Abyssea, and not for the reasons you mention. I wouldn't have played it for so many years if I didn't enjoy it. I don't know why several hundred thousand other players would have if they didn't, either.

Psychoanalyze/demonize me all you want. It's easy to assume everyone who doesn't share your opinion must have something wrong with them or is just being a child, but that's a huge cop out. Fact is my opinion is just different to yours. The actual reasons vary from person to person. It's a fact of life, learn to accept it instead of just being lazy and lumping everyone you disagree with into one group.

[weeble]

Depends. Do I have to keep playing the White mage in raids after patch 1.19 and 1.20? If I do, then I am kicking the exit door open. Not only that, but walking into the street and throwing my face into traffic, calling it a night.

lmao yeah, this is another thing that might get me to quit, not right away but without a doubt. if i can't play all my classes with ease, without being gimped, i'ma be inching closer and closer to the exit door. i'm having such problems right now in game cause of stats, grandted they fixing it but how i dunno. i don't want to be a blm for life in raids, or archer for that matter in ffxiv lol, i can't do dol if i know i gonna do dungeons soon for stats points, is all just really anoying.

also i didn't play abysea, thank god cause i would of went rage if i was still playing i quit bout time i beat the last mini expansion. this game is defenetly starting off on easy mode and i can only asume it will keep getting harder, but if not it's gonna suck. like said aboves, i don't want hnm threw claiming really but everything else ffxi had hell yes, not same, but same structures and things, sure. i liked it, lots of people liked it, /cheer for the future of this game. someone click us forward a year to see if we waisted our time lol.

[Nvr]

People seem to easily mistake tediousness with challenging and convinience for easy.
Waiting through a 3 hour window for once per 24 hour monster is not challenging, it is tedious. Spending 3 hours killing birds for a single level is not challenng, it is tedious. Being required to get 3 other people to stand are pressure switches so you can open a chest on the other side of a door is not challenging. Like I said, a huge majority of people that complain about the new FFXI are people that spent a ton of time doing tedious things for their, now out-dates, gear, and they are just upset to see people optain better gear in a more fun and enjoyable way. You can't deny it.

Also, you are just assuming that "a lot of players" have a problem with the recent FFXI changes. Several posts from old elitist players on a message board does not make "a lot of people". You have no actual polls or numbers to back up your claim.