Why I have no interest in Coils more specifically, T9.

[Zohar_Lahar]

From what I understand, T9 has too many different mechanics across four distinct phases, in contrast to everything else in the game (even Steps of Faith), whereas Final Coil sounds like it would be much more accessible with echo in comparison. There's still Savage mode so what's the problem if the mechanics of the gates are loosened? As I pointed out the gear is already outdated compared to WoD and Poetics, and the story is too closely tied to Main Scenario and Crystal Tower for it to be denied to the casual playerbase just to satisfy the ego of a few hardcore raiders.

Or in simpler terms: don't you think T9 was too complicated for its own good? From looking at many places like reddit, the mechanics and phases are unreasonable to all but a very tiny percentage of the playerbase, and I think it is unreasonable to say demand Coil storyline and (obsolete) High Allagan Weapons be exclusive to a hardcore few.

[Ayrie]

From what I understand, T9 has too many different mechanics across four distinct phases, in contrast to everything else in the game (even Steps of Faith), whereas Final Coil sounds like it would be much more accessible with echo in comparison. There's still Savage mode so what's the problem if the mechanics of the gates are loosened? As I pointed out the gear is already outdated compared to WoD and Poetics, and the story is too closely tied to Main Scenario and Crystal Tower for it to be denied to the casual playerbase just to satisfy the ego of a few hardcore raiders.

Turn 12 shatters your argument.

4 distinct phases, usually with 2+ mechanics each and not many that are repeated and reused.

Also: would you prefer pushover gatekeepers that gave no sense of accomplishment for beating? Doesn't sound very exciting or rewarding.

Edit:

Also ask yourselves why it is so important. I think a lot of it comes down to loot envy in the end. And loot is the byproduct not the reason.

The reason is the challenge and overcoming those challenges, some of which feel insurmountable. The bigger the obstacle the more rewarding it is when it goes down.

Gear should not be the driving force. It is too ephemeral to cling to when you're faced with something like Nael or Twin.

[Zohar_Lahar]

Turn 12 shatters your argument.

4 distinct phases, usually with 2+ mechanics each and not many that are repeated and reused.

Also: would you prefer pushover gatekeepers that gave no sense of accomplishment for beating? Doesn't sound very exciting or rewarding.

You mean like Lahabrea, Phlegethon, and Xande?

[Ayrie]

You mean like Lahabrea, Phlegethon, and Xande?

Yes....

Exactly like that....

Treating this as bait

[ziddyt]

You mean like Lahabrea, Phlegethon, and Xande?

Do you actually think it's an accomplishment to clear CT and ST?
Cause... it's not. Like at all.

[Cadmar]

Or in simpler terms: don't you think T9 was too complicated for its own good? From looking at many places like reddit, the mechanics and phases are unreasonable to all but a very tiny percentage of the playerbase, and I think it is unreasonable to say demand Coil storyline and (obsolete) High Allagan Weapons be exclusive to a hardcore few.

What exactly makes the mechanics and phases unreasonable? Also.. you hardly have to be the "hardcore few" to beat T9. You just have to (I'll say it again) take some initiative and be motivated to do it.

[StrejdaTom]

Hardcore few? Over a day there are more than 100 farm parties of FCOB on every bigger server, T9 is no longer a thing of hardcore few.

[siverstorm]

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Or you can put time to try and actually learn the fights? It's not current and you don't want to put the same effort as other players who have worked to clear it therefore it should be made easier (moreso than it already has) and handed to you on a platter? That's a ridiculous request. You complain about too many mechanics. How do you fare learning all the other mechanics of literally every other fight in this game? Or are you one of those people who always end up dead in towers and trials because you can't be bothered to figure out how the mechanics work? Because that's what you're sounding like.

Final coil has it's fair share of oneshot mechanics. With echo if you manage to reach it you'll just come running back to the forums complaining it's too hard again.

This all boils down, like I said, to players like you wanting everything handed to you. There are many players out there trying to learn or even players who have cleared everything willing to teach. But when you make 0 effort vs these players who are trying their hardest (and succeeding) even now in 2.55 to clear T5/T9 in pugs why should the game cater it to you?

Also that reddit post you linked....not only was it downvoted to negative...but notice how a lot of the comments are saying the EXACT SAME THING.

You are having such problem because you are not patient enough to commit a temporary group in pf for contents from last cycle, nor in a static for said matters and "hardcore" contents in the future.

I'm not gonna bother repeating myself about learning parties because you're either gonna nitpick my comment and ignore the point or cry that I'm a "toxic elitist".