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  1. #211
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    Quote Originally Posted by StrejdaTom View Post
    FFXIV should be one long corridor and every boss should have manual (how to kill it) above its head.
    I know you're being sarcastic but that IS how the game mechanic currently is..
    There's a MANUAL for every boss. Where to stand, when to move, when to group up, disperse. When to burst dps on the boss, etc. etc. etc.

    You think you're playing the game with your skills? You're just exploiting the weaknesses of each boss and each encounter. I don't know if that's by design, but if it is, then it's causing the fights to be monotonous, every run is the same.

    If it isn't by design, SE should step up and fix the mechanics, throw in some random variables in there and make people react to the unknown.
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  2. #212
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    T'aretha Tyaka
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    Quote Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK View Post
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    I agree with the need of built in voice communication even when I think that coil is perfectly doable without voice communication.
    If they made it possible to mute anyone to protect us from harassment it would be a nice thing to have.
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  3. #213
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    Quote Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK View Post
    Why do you think 90% of all statics require: TeamSpeak, Ventrillo, Mumble, PS4 Chat...Its because its become essential to clearing the harder content. When you can have someone calling moves it makes it to where everything can perform better and faster as you don't have to pay as much attention to said moves (in terms of looking out for it).
    It's not even remotely essential, and most people who do use voice chat do it because they simply enjoy talking to their teammates, not because they need to be told what to do during the fight.
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  4. #214
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    Altrage A'uli
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    Quote Originally Posted by StrejdaTom View Post
    I agree with the need of built in voice communication even when I think that coil is perfectly doable without voice communication.
    If they made it possible to mute anyone to protect us from harassment it would be a nice thing to have.
    They could make it where VC is only accessible through instanced content and not available in the over world. Bam, harassment issue solved, and of course a mute option should be present as with anything with VC options.
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  5. #215
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    Marcus Deston
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    Quote Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK View Post
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    And older games didn't have some sort of a pattern to them, even if it was also more "random"? I'm sorry, but if you've been playing MMOs or games in general for that long and you still expect all content to be beatable by everyone, you're delusional, and I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise because you won't accept it.

    Please provide a source on Coil mechanics being similar to XI mechanics, because as far as I can tell that's just plain false. In fact some mechanics have been derived from WoW, which served as an inspiration for XIV 2.0 as a whole.

    Also, macros exist. Arguably faster than voice chat in some situations, but less adaptable. A lot faster than typing stuff though.

    There's several reasons why the devs won't add a voice chat function in-game, one of which is the fact that third-party software DOES exist that will probably always be better than any sort of in-game implementation of such a function. And muting doesn't suddenly convince someone harassing through voice chat to stop; that's just ignoring the problem by pretending it doesn't exist.
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    Last edited by gamesmart; 04-10-2015 at 04:16 AM.

  6. #216
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikki View Post
    It's not even remotely essential, and most people who do use voice chat do it because they simply enjoy talking to their teammates, not because they need to be told what to do during the fight.
    If it wasn't essential they wouldn't require it as a part of joining...that'd be quite silly if you require something just to be able to chat generally speaking to one another...Now that alot of the statics are farming the coils because they have cleared them already I would agree that VC is not really needed as they have a set attack plan, and VC is probably only needed on the 'WTF' moments that might occur, which is why I made the challenge in the first place. Running the content for the first time just about requires VC, especially in PUGs.

    Quote Originally Posted by gamesmart
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    I don't expect it to be beatable by everyone right away, however more than 5%-10% of a 4million player base should be able to access and beat it. You are literally telling me that it's okay for 3,600,000-3,800,000 players or 46,800,000-49,400,000 dollars a month worth of content be only accessible to 5-10% of the populace? And you say your not an elitist? I'd like to clarify something, I KNOW I CAN BEAT COIL AND I WILL; however there are legitimately players who cannot commit that time to memorization/studying, coil is one of the two endgame content sinks in this game (the other being Crystal Tower Saga) and 90-95% of them cannot enjoy it but have to pay for it? And again you find that okay?! Have you lost your friggin' mind? I'm not saying that I want content to be clearly by everyone but hell at least 50% of the player base should be able to clear it with a bit of a challenge, not 5-10%. If I'm being optimistic about the numbers that at the utmost 25% of the player base which still means 3,000,000 people have not cleared it or 39,000,000 dollars a month worth of content/development costs is not serving those players. Again, like I said, if you have any kind of Business/Entertainment knowledge you know that Coils are poorly designed. Period.
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    Last edited by OMEGA_HACK; 04-10-2015 at 04:28 AM.

  7. #217
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    Quote Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK View Post
    If it wasn't essential they wouldn't require it as a part of joining...that'd be quite silly if you require something just to be able to chat generally speaking to one another...Now that alot of the statics are farming the coils because they have cleared them already I would agree that VC is not really needed as they have a set attack plan, and VC is probably only needed on the 'WTF' moments that might occur, which is why I made the challenge in the first place. Running the content for the first time just about requires VC, especially in PUGs.
    I've already done T1-T13 with my static without voice chat, with all 8 of us being first timers on every turn. It's never been an issue. People "requiring" voice chat doesn't mean voice chat is actually essential to succeeding. They either have the mistaken notion that it is, or they simply don't enjoy raiding without being able to talk to their teammates and want everyone to use it for that reason.
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  8. #218
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamesmart View Post
    There's several reasons why the devs won't add a voice chat function in-game
    Can you imagine the server load?? They already have trouble sending out freaking emails for password reset after midnight (It's almost a sure bet if you change IP around 1am your pw reset email won't get sent for at least 30 minutes or so) and for them to host voice chat services I just don't see SE being able to pull it off with the current state of things.. I really hope the expansion and the European server move changes something.
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  9. #219
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    Wournsfeik Untawhasyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikki View Post
    I've already done T1-T13 with my static without voice chat, with all 8 of us being first timers on every turn. It's never been an issue. People "requiring" voice chat doesn't mean voice chat is actually essential to succeeding. They either have the mistaken notion that it is, or they simply don't enjoy raiding without being able to talk to their teammates and want everyone to use it for that reason.
    Boom, this. It's a nice to have to build up some sort of personal relationship and trust, too. Most people requiring it like having a person who's watching things to keep people from tunneling on their DPS though, which happens with surprising frequency until people internalize their rotations completely.
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    Wait wait... Are we operating under the premise that some people are completely incapable of doing T5 or T9?

    I did not know I was appointed or selected to be so special!

    Everyone has the same access to those fights. There is nothing stopping anyone...

    Except for themselves.

    People who finish these fights usually only have 1-2 traits that those who cannot have:

    1) initiative: to start a group, maintain a group, and put in the extra hours outside of showing up.
    2) tenacity: to not quit when your group is overwhelmed, regresses, or has conflict and turnover.

    There is no magic caste of doers. There is no specified time until mastery. Find people who are oike-minded and enjoy each other and drop some content at your pace. It isn't going anywhere. You're not a world first. Most of us will never be.
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