selling coil runs and primals

[Aivi_lo]

Explain why someone else is more entitled to that house than he is.

The fact he has two and there isn't enough to go around as it is

[Ashkendor]

The fact he has two and there isn't enough to go around as it is

Maybe not on your server, but less populated servers still have available housing. I don't see anything wrong with it anyway. He got the money together, he got up early on patch day. Housing has always been first come first served.

I certainly didn't feel bad about picking up a Small for my own personal use.

[Kosmos992k]

Just defending myself :]

Against what? I've made no attack against you at any time.

You wrote the following;

Kill selling, the latest crafted gear and materia prices are the 3 major markets for RMT gil. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. After all, those are the 3 primary things that actually cost any amount of gil. Given that 90% of a server population can't make that much gil from crafting or selling kills themselves, coming across players dropping 20mil, 30mil, 100mil on a kill, it's pretty clear where that gil has come from, even if I've not been told by those doing the selling, or friends of the buyer, that the gil was purchased.

At this point you were quite clearly linking kill selling to RMT activity. I posted in reply to you, agreeing with your point, and illustrated it with an experience of my own. How was that an attack?

Fast forward to this post....

I've read a lot of what you've been saying, and concluded that you are in fact, worse than the sellers you find immoral.

If you've come to that conclusion, then your reading skills are really, really poor.

When people sell a service (which often times uses up their time, like a plumber that's come to fix your heating) for gil, they're participating in a transaction of a physical currency. You on the other hand, are doing it maybe because you believe in karma and want better karma, maybe you're religious and want your deity to see how much of a good boy/girl you are, maybe you do things to feel good about yourself, or as seems to be the case, you do it so you can act morally superior to others.

You know, it's really funny how someone who does things for the hell of it, to help people or to have fun - instead of personal profit - is attacked and called worse than RMT. In all honesty, I find your post very insulting, and extremely disappointing. It's disappointing because there is a view among many people IRL today that they will only get off their ass to do something if they are getting paid. You are displaying that attitude perfectly. What disappoints me most, is that you are so screwed up that you are actually attacking the motivations of someone who does things for reasons other than being paid to do them. I guess altruism is dead, along with all other forms of community or social responsibility.

Whatever the reason is, it's still a currency, good karma points, that tingly feeling of doing something good, having your deity tick more boxes in your favor for an after-life, or more examples to try beating people around the head with in a verbal discussion. Why this makes you worse, is that those of us that use a physical currency, we're not hiding what we're doing, you're blinding yourself to the currency you receive because it's not something you can spend in the real world that other people will accept.

Really? You're really so screwed up that because I do things for personal satisfaction, my friendship with others or to help the community in general, I'm somehow worse than the money grubbing RMTs? Is that really what you're saying here? You accuse me of hiding something, what is it that I am hiding? Are you simply unable to grasp the concept of being friendly and helping others for personal satisfaction or out of friendship, community spirit, social responsibility or civility? Is that it? Or are you so far gone that *everything* has to be quantified in terms of some 'currency' tangible or otherwise so that you can literally attack others regardless of how selfless their motivation?

Unbelievable. Simply unbelievable. I'm beginning to think that the bronies are right. Perhaps you need to spend some time watching brightly colored ponies delivering messages about friendship, community spirit and social responsibility so you can learn a few things.

[Neuflune]

If I help other people just because I can, that makes me bad compared to RMT people or people who ask for gil in exchange for their help?

Wait, what? xD

[CYoung187]

I love the anyone who has gil buys from RMT argument. It isn't hard to get gil if you put the effort into it. Just like it isn't hard to progress through content if you put effort. That is like someone who hasn't stepped into coil calling everyone that has beaten T13 a bunch of cheaters just because they can't do it.

[Izsha]

Anyone with over 2m buys gil now? Wow. Just wow. Ugh people are so dumb.

"I can't make tons of money so the ONLY possibly explanation other people have money is they cheat!!"

Grow up. You aren't the best at everything. Your personal capabilities are not the boundaries of other people. Some people are great at playing tycoon and terrible at combat. Some are great at combat and terrible at tycoon. The smithy trades his expert craft (tools) for the farmers expert craft (food) so that both have tools and both have food. The tycoon trades his goods (money) for the combat gurus expertise (beating content) so now they both have some money and some content progression.

People seem to forget that money is traded for goods and SERVICES. Buying armor off the board is no different than paying someone to kill shiva for you. Services are not some immoral evil trade while goods are fine and dandy.

Drawing arbitrary lines between goods and services is irrational, not righteous. Thinking no one can earn more gil than you without rmt is ignorant at best, and much more horrible adjectives at worst.

[Mercutial]

I have been in farm parties with individuals who I knew for a fact bought a clear for previous content. These farm parties did not go so well. My point being that a bought clear is VERY misleading to those who run with the individual in later content.

[ExKage]

I think the point is that you're vilifying people over a very arbitrary set of ethics. It can be turned around that you're being a self-righteous prick helping people under the cover of being "altruistic". An attention seeker. You want to do it to feel good about yourself. You don't do it because you actually want to help, the main reason is because you want -other people- to see you doing it and think "wow this person is so nice! They're not like those 'evil' mercs who want to charge us for helping!"

I am not saying it is the case; I'm saying it can come across that way when you start to burn people. You keep equating selling runs with RMT and it is not. Get off your high horse. Whether you do it just for the hell of it, to help friends, or for profit, the motivations are not 'worth more'.

[Neuflune]

Not against the people selling services, that's your job, you do what you want but...

I have been in farm parties with individuals who I knew for a fact bought a clear for previous content. These farm parties did not go so well. My point being that a bought clear is VERY misleading to those who run with the individual in later content.

I know a case like this. Dude advertised he was buying a clear just so he can get "Greed party" status. He cleared 'coz moneys. He still sucks. Not totally the run-seller's fault but I wish people who actually buy the clear would actually learn the fights instead of being a burden to others.

[Mercutial]

But... but... but... people only buy clears so they can watch cut scenes, right? RIGHT??
Gimme a break. Want the "prestige" with none of the work. Maybe a nice shiny. Not trying to crap on the clientele of any run-sellers here. But the stigma is real.