Steps of Faith and Roullete

[QuinceTaru]

You just need to put more effort into helping new players.

I know imma get flamed for this but maybe just maybe new players need to try to help themselves out instead and learn the jobs and listen instead of queuing in hopes of getting carried?

[MarquisElmdore]

3 tricks. -1- A S K if someone is new to the fight . it never hurts to be sure everyone is on the same page.-2- E X P L A I N. dont be afraid to give information out, takes 4 maybe 5 minutes to explain a strat and you can correct it if needs show up and its always better than 5 wipes back to back.-3- test it out: even if you spend 10 minutes of adjusting in the first attempt, welcome to new player guiddance, the next try will be better. and it never hurts to make sure player get to udnerstand how things works in this fight, eff YouTube by the way(we dont all live in there in hopes of divine enlightment towards a video game). if you dont want to spend 15 mintues making sure new players get enough infos? make a premade group in your server LS of FC and stop complaining that new players are new to an instance. you sucked at Steps fo faith as well in the start when you didnt knew how to work it around. dont complain on those who are exactly where you were when you started the instance.

[Kuwagami]

I know imma get flamed for this but maybe just maybe new players need to try to help themselves out instead and learn the jobs and listen instead of queuing in hopes of getting carried?

approved. I wish we could see some thing like Maat in FFxiv. I never played FFxi, but I've heard about it like the "must know your job" duty. As a solo fight, it would be the perfect road block for people who are only getting carried through the content. Be willing to improve or gtfo leechers

[MageBlack]

I know imma get flamed for this but maybe just maybe new players need to try to help themselves out instead and learn the jobs and listen instead of queuing in hopes of getting carried?

Maybe, just maybe, that is what they are trying to do? Learn the fight? I can watch vids for days but I learn a lot more from two or three failed attempts. This has only been out a few weeks, but then again, people expected everyone to know everything about the fight by the evening the patch was released... gotta love this mentality.

There are other roulette's to do, if you are surprised Steps keeps coming up, then I dont know what to tell you other than avoid the trial roulette.

"you cant do this fight unless you have experience" "But I cant get experience without doing the fight"

[Kuwagami]

Maybe, just maybe, that is what they are trying to do? Learn the fight? I

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In the 4 hours I've had to run this instance to get my first clear, I can tell than many do not bother to try to learn. they just expect to come in and faceroll it by standing mostly idle like every other HM trial (Odin considered Ex difficulty here, you actually have to dodge stuff)

There is no way on earth you can activate AND land the 3 towers and still fail at 60%. There is no way, after being explained the whole fight in precise details, and after experiencing it 2/3 times, that you'll still not use the cannons at all.

Yet that's what I've witnessed for 3 hours straight, in 6 different groups. My last hour in was in a 6/8 new people, 7/8 first kill. BUT people actually listened to the most experienced, tried a few times to get things right (30% first try, 2 tower misses, 10% 2nd try, mage LB, messy on adds, 2% 3rd try, kill on 4th try) and won. They wanted to learn and to do the things right.


TL;DR : people who want to progress will clear the fight, even with a huge majority of first timers. Leechers will remain stuck forever because they have no way to be carried through.


(Though that's not THAT true, as they now queue as healer/tank to be carried)

[MageBlack]

TL;DR : people who want to progress will clear the fight, even with a huge majority of first timers. Leechers will remain stuck forever because they have no way to be carried through.

That is the crux of it isnt it? I just think its wrong to paint every party in a negative light after the first attempt which is what many people were doing. I do agree, leechers will not have a good time of trying this with future content. The way I see this fight is a precursor to the kinds of content we will have thrown at us in Heavensward and if we cant do this precursor fight, then how can someone hope to handle what comes next.

And that presumption goes both ways, you cant be a care bear all the time. It takes a bit of time to see whats happening, then act accordingly. I was just saying that from my own perspective of getting in to many fights and people ask "Who's new?" (cause the new player message comes up) and i answer honestly then people auto ditch or call me down. Its the one or two parties of patient people that actually stick around where we will finish it on our second or third try. Some people seem to equate new with "cant handle the content". Its a player issue that i find disturbing. We were all new once.

[Devtek]

I am perfectly willing to help new people out but when (as was the case when I was doing this trial in the DF on day 1) people tell you to STFU when you try and explain the mechanics of the fight to them when after you ask if anyone is new and all 7 people say yes that is what makes me rage. Instead of quitting or afking until I am kicked I attempt to help people but am told not to talk because "i am ruining" the trial for them. They wanted to try the fight out by themselves. I think ok whatever, and extra 10 min or so waiting for them to wipe or actually grasp the nuance of the fight. No one uses a cannon. The monk dies 6 times by being stepped on. One tank tries to tank the dragon...the whole time. The DPS other than me and the other tank just tank the adds behind the boss and don't follow him. I wait patiently for someone to actually click on one of the objects (cannon, snare etc.) None of them do. They exclaim confusion as to why the boss is at 80+% health.

The thing about this fight is that it is almost entirely dependant on the execution of mechanics rather than simply tank and spank the boss. After we finally beat the trial (after i got fed up and announced every single time someone had to do something, i had tried to allow independent initiative previously which did not work as people just ran around like chickens with their heads cut off not doing anything at all), half of them thanked me in chat, I got 6 commendations as a DPS, and the one douche swore at me again for ruining the first pull by trying to explain the fight.

[Mercutial]

I am perfectly willing to help new people out but when (as was the case when I was doing this trial in the DF on day 1) people tell you to STFU when you try and explain the mechanics of the fight to them when after you ask if anyone is new and all 7 people say yes that is what makes me rage. Instead of quitting or afking until I am kicked I attempt to help people but am told not to talk because "i am ruining" the trial for them. They wanted to try the fight out by themselves.

Why is it such a foreign concept to some people that other players might want to go into a fight or dungeon blind DAY ONE of a patch? This is actually one of the more enjoyable experiences that SE offers its player base. But there is always that one person that is screaming out mechanics and lording over their precious MINUTE ONE clear by raging at all the "noobs". Congrats! You're king of shit mountain in Trial Roulette. Treat yourself to an ice cream sandwich.

[Aerowaffle]

Why is it such a foreign concept to some people that other players might want to go into a fight or dungeon blind DAY ONE of a patch? This is actually one of the more enjoyable experiences that SE offers its player base. But there is always that one person that is screaming out mechanics and lording over their precious MINUTE ONE clear by raging at all the "noobs". Congrats! You're king of shit mountain in Trial Roulette. Treat yourself to an ice cream sandwich.

Yes, people may want to discover things on their own, but people who already know the fight and want others to be informed also have that right. If you want to go into a run, only to ignore any advice of your party members, you're probably going to get some negative attention and possibly kicked.

Now don't get me wrong, this doesn't mean people should be rude to those who don't know the mechanics, especially when they haven't been explained. But once the mechanics have been explained, there is no reason to ignore them.

If you want to go into a blind run with mechanics completely unknown to all involved, you'll have to create a separate group for it. Just like someone wishing for a group composed completely of people who already know the fight, will have to make their own group as well.