Why is Square Enix not listening to this forum?

[AskaRay]

I'm pretty sure if the devs had it their way, there would be no PVP at all.

[Lorielle]

I'm pretty sure if the devs had it their way, there would be no PVP at all.

It is their game. They can do what they want. It just comes with consequence. Unhappy customers equals unsubscribing. In turn, loss of profit.

[aerolol]

It is their game. They can do what they want. It just comes with consequence. Unhappy customers equals unsubscribing. In turn, loss of profit.

Is there any HAPPY customer in regards of PvP in FF14??

90% of the player base don't even care PvP exists, and the 10% that care are unhappy because it's broken, long queues, 1 sided battles, GC restrictions, ...

[Lorielle]

Is there any HAPPY customer in regards of PvP in FF14??

90% of the player base don't even care PvP exists, and the 10% that care are unhappy because it's broken, long queues, 1 sided battles, GC restrictions, ...

Some people are content with it. Others are not. Me personally? There's a lot of improvements to be had, but it's not horrible. SE wanted to enforce the idea of "Representing your GC" which is the reason why there's those GC restrictions(though why they couldn't make a PVP rank and GC Rank is beyond me). Queue system they can just separate between 24 and 72 in some fashion. Nothing can be done about the battle itself. That just matters on the people. Solutions are there. But SE isn't doing anything about it. That's where people are mostly upset about.

[Red_Wolf]

It all comes down to the GC-restriction and long Q's. I've spelled this out on the forums a few times now.

If they want PvP to be popular then they need to:
level the playing field by removing GC restrictions
lower the Q times by removing the GC restrictions

The only people that have disagreed with removing the GC restriction are the ones that do not actually PvP. I was expecting some PvP QoL fixes in 2.55. Pretty much any improvement would have made me happy. That did not happen. Obviously PvP is not going to be a priority in June when they release 3.0. So I guess I'm done playing for now. SE can enjoy their Japanese fanbase and their American apologists. Maybe I'll check in at some point down the road.

[Conradus]

FFXIV is not a PvP focussed game so improving PvP does not have a very high priority. The fact that there is a vocal PvP faction on this board does not mean there is a large number of people interested in PvP in game; there aren't. People interested in PvP are mostly playing MMOs that focus on PvP. FFXIV serves a different audience. This is not "apologist", it simply a fact. Not every game is for everybody, and FFXIV is made for a PvE crowd, like FFXI before it.

[Red_Wolf]

FFXIV is not a PvP focussed game so improving PvP does not have a very high priority. The fact that there is a vocal PvP faction on this board does not mean there is a large number of people interested in PvP in game; there aren't. People interested in PvP are mostly playing MMOs that focus on PvP. FFXIV serves a different audience. This is not "apologist", it simply a fact. Not every game is for everybody, and FFXIV is made for a PvE crowd, like FFXI before it.

I've been criticized for being too harsh on people before, but most of this is just nonsense. Don't talk about "facts" and discredit others if you have nothing to backup your claims.

Like Archer said, most people have given up on PvP in this game because of the long Q times and pre-mades taking over one GC for the entire night. You can ignore that if you like, but there are pages of forum posts to back that up. Also, the fact that there is a vocal PvP faction on this board means there are a lot more that choose to remain silent.

SE wants PvP to be a popular piece of this game. They have gear sets, exclusive mounts, exclusive titles, 2 separate maps, several possible instances, arena pvp, battleground pvp, etc... The problem is not the lack of pvp development because this is a "PvE game". The problem is the execution and mainly the horrendous wait times to get into these instances.

The "fact" is that this is one of the few non-P2W MMO's left that has PvP. And, It's the only one with a modern graphics engine. So you shouldn't doubt that us PvPers were willing to give it a shot. SE obviously knew that too.

[Streetmajor]

It all comes down to the GC-restriction and long Q's. I've spelled this out on the forums a few times now.

If they want PvP to be popular then they need to:
level the playing field by removing GC restrictions
lower the Q times by removing the GC restrictions

The only people that have disagreed with removing the GC restriction are the ones that do not actually PvP. I was expecting some PvP QoL fixes in 2.55. Pretty much any improvement would have made me happy. That did not happen. Obviously PvP is not going to be a priority in June when they release 3.0. So I guess I'm done playing for now. SE can enjoy their Japanese fanbase and their American apologists. Maybe I'll check in at some point down the road.

I somewhat dread the thought of seeing certain players in my GC on different servers mix with other certain players in different GCs on their servers.