Formal Letter to SE about RMT situation.

[Zabuza]

You're acting as if they specifically were working on this specific problem for two years. Good luck with that argument. I'm not talking about the last two years. I'm talking about from the moment you made this thread and when it could possibly be acted upon right now. You can't stay silent for two years and then act like they've done you wrong the whole time. Come on man.

Did you not say SE was aware of the issue already? So if what you say is true, it means they've known these two years and have not acted upon it even though they had ample time. Which means we have been wronged. And if they haven't been aware, wouldn't that make this petition all the more necessary? Which is it?

It's not like I'm out for SE's throats or something. I love 95% of their game, have no complaints whatsoever. My only beef with this game are their choices when it comes to RMTs and PvP(not gonna get into the PvP stuff as this thread isn't about that).

[Tiggy]

Did you not say SE was aware of the issue already? So if what you say is true, it means they've known these two years and have not acted upon it even though they had ample time. Which means we have been wronged. And if they haven't been aware, wouldn't that make this petition all the more necessary? Which is it?

Keep going in circles if it helps you feel better bud. You'll never find happiness with that sort of circular logic.

[Zabuza]

Keep going in circles if it helps you feel better bud. You'll never find happiness with that sort of circular logic.

You contradicted yourself, I was just pointing it out. There's one more hole in all of this too. Even if they needed time as you say, they could still post a dev reply to all this, however vague it may be. Fact of the matter is they haven't even done that, on a single thread that speaks of this issue.

[Tiggy]

I didn't contradict anything. You keep adding new details to try and spin a new story that keeps going in circles. Convincing me changes nothing anyway. You continue to see the world in only black and white. I'm not telling you the spam doesn't suck. I'm telling you to simmer down. You are arguing with me like I don't think the spam sucks or something. You seem to be falling pray to the false dilemma fallacy just because I didn't give you my unconditional support.

[Zabuza]

I didn't contradict anything. You keep adding new details to try and spin a new story that keeps going in circles. Convincing me changes nothing anyway. You continue to see the world in only black and white. I'm not telling you the spam doesn't suck. I'm telling you to simmer down. You are arguing with me like I don't think the spam sucks or something. You seem to be falling pray to the false dilemma fallacy just because I didn't give you my unconditional support.

To be honest, I think I've been discussing everything in this thread relatively calmly. It's fine that I don't have your unconditional support. I knew at least one person would disagree, and you're welcome to that opinion. Your contradiction lies in the fact that you started by telling me that SE has been aware of this, so my petition was pointless. Then later on you said SE hasn't had enough time to fix this issue so I can't post this against them. One sentence implies they've known about this for awhile, while the other implies the exact opposite.

I'm curious as to what you want me to do when you say simmer down. Was your intent to get me to stop posting altogether?

[Tiggy]

To be honest, I think I've been discussing everything in this thread relatively calmly. It's fine that I don't have your unconditional support. I knew at least one person would disagree, and you're welcome to that opinion. Your contradiction lies in the fact that you started by telling me that SE has been aware of this, so my petition was pointless. Then later on you said SE hasn't had enough time to fix this issue so I can't post this against them. One sentence implies they've known about this for awhile, while the other implies the exact opposite.

I'm curious as to what you want me to do when you say simmer down. Was your intent to get me to stop posting altogether?

Whatever you need to say to help you sleep at night lol. I'm sure that post changed EVERYTHING!!~!

[Zabuza]

Whatever you need to say to help you sleep at night lol. I'm sure that post changed EVERYTHING!!~!

Well, I will leave it at this then. All I will say in closing is that I respect and understand your opinion, I simply disagree with it.

[tocsin]

Well, I will leave it at this then. All I will say in closing is that I respect and understand your opinion, I simply disagree with it.

Wow, I walk away from the thread for an hour, and get a significant argument that I missed.

The point of the thread, is that SE has had a problem for two years now, and we have been telling them about the problem for two years now, and they haven't done or even said ANYTHING about it. Like, even a quick "we are working on solutions, thanks for your input" would be better. They give off the appearance of not listening, and unless we attempt to make ourselves known, they may never listen.

There should be questions brought up about RMT in every single subforum, in every thread. we should have people literally unifying the forum in asking for a response on this, to force SE to respond. Anything less, is defeatism.

[Zabuza]

Wow, I walk away from the thread for an hour, and get a significant argument that I missed.

The point of the thread, is that SE has had a problem for two years now, and we have been telling them about the problem for two years now, and they haven't done or even said ANYTHING about it. Like, even a quick "we are working on solutions, thanks for your input" would be better. They give off the appearance of not listening, and unless we attempt to make ourselves known, they may never listen.

There should be questions brought up about RMT in every single subforum, in every thread. we should have people literally unifying the forum in asking for a response on this, to force SE to respond. Anything less, is defeatism.

Completely agree. Staying relatively silent obviously hasn't been working.

[Kuwaitum]

I do not comprehend your complete silence on this matter, SE. Your devs are so friendly and responsive when it comes to almost every other single matter posted on the forums. But when it comes to this, no matter how much people cry out, no matter how much they suggest changes, you remain mute.

That what's hurt the most! Any RMT/BOTs threads are totally ignored.

I'm full support to the letter and the moderate suggustions attached.

Ivory Spirit, Faerie.