Patch 2.55 new card NPC's and changes to rules & card sets.

[Shinun]

You have managed to completely miss the point I was trying to make. You think spending hours and days and losing sleep trying to grind for something that is completely reliant on RNG and has no chance of award for those who cannot afford to do that is okay. You also do not know the difference between "their" and "there", so I'm done trying to convince you otherwise. The system is flawed, period.

RNG =\ No chance of award

and sorry, if I don't care to use correct grammar when I'm in an argument about how life isn't fair gimme things, because that's all your doing. "Someone got it on first try why didn't I I should be entitled to something without having to worry about how % works and law of averages."

[Reyll]

RNG =\ No chance of award

and sorry, if I don't care to use correct grammar when I'm in an argument about how life isn't fair gimme things

Yep, cause I can totally earn the Lightning card some other way. Wait, lemme' go cheat my way to the top of the Tournament board to earn it, 'cause the Tournament is flawless as well, correct?

[Centershock]

RNG =\ No chance of award

and sorry, if I don't care to use correct grammar when I'm in an argument about how life isn't fair gimme things

That's just the point.

Doing something 92857698248097355 times and having NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT is just not how a game should be designed. And no, don't even bring up the fact that you get MGP from this because earning MGP =/= Lightning card (in this case).

It's a perception, and perceptions vary. I'm sorry to say that yours isn't the only one that's correct. It's like doing T7 over and over and over again (as a healer) and the healer robe JUST WOULD NOT DROP.

While T7 =/= challenging Tataru, the concept is the same.

And I think giving players the perception of doing content over and over again and having nothing to show for it is just bad. Not just for FFXIV, but for any MMO.

It has NOTHING to do with entitlement.

[Shinun]

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And what about the perception of only having to do content a limited number of times to achieve the rewards and then having nothing left to do. Their has to be ways to artificially lengthen content and RNG is a great way. Your not time gated so you can do the content whenever you want. Accessibility for most of the NPCs even with bad decks or bad luck on the rules is rather low. And i'm sorry if there's a card or 2 or maybe even a handful that just won't drop to you. But those cards you got? Ya someone else is having a difficult time getting it. But, it is a necessary evil to prolong content until new content is out. Most steps of the Relic weapon by majority were thought of as bad due to RNG but guess what, after time when their was more overall content it was eased.

[CompSci88]

stuff

Welcome to mmo.

[Centershock]

Welcome to mmo.

Thanks.

My sanity has already been left at the door.

[Windklinge]

its always the same. lucky people defend rng and others say its flawed. THIS IS A GAME. so dont compare it as WORK for something. we do that daily on real life. only few players wanna do the same ingame. you cannot WORK againist an RNG mechanic. its nothing else than a slotmachine.

the main issue with RNG lies in the fact that on a reward every player should have to put in the SAME amount of EFFORT OR TIME to claim a reward. not player A getting a reward for 1 win and player B getting a reward for 500 wins. thats just silly to defend in the first place. its definitly not ok anymore after a certain point has passed.

very few players ENJOY wasting thier free time on a slot machine in real life either. its the same. if they want to prolong content put weekly or daily limits. not RNG. thats lazy.

[Centershock]

its always the same. lucky people defend rng and others say its flawed. THIS IS A GAME. so dont compare it as WORK for something. we do that daily on real life. only few players wanna do the same ingame. you cannot WORK againist an RNG mechanic. its nothing else than a slotmachine.

the main issue with RNG lies in the fact that on a reward every player should have to put in the SAME amount of EFFORT OR TIME to claim a reward. not player A getting a reward for 1 win and player B getting a reward for 500 wins. thats just silly to defend in the first place. its definitly not ok anymore after a certain point has passed.

very few players ENJOY wasting thier free time on a slot machine in real life either. its the same. if they want to prolong content put weekly or daily limits. not RNG. thats lazy.

It's like people are missing the point. In the case of Tataru, you have to roll two dice. Or in this case, rely on RNG.

Once for getting a card to drop in the first place, and another to get the Lightning card to drop.

[Shinun]

It's like people are missing the point. In the case of Tataru, you have to roll two dice. Or in this case, rely on RNG.

Once for getting a card to drop in the first place, and another to get the Lightning card to drop.

I don't think anyone is missing the point. I'm pretty sure that exact quote is what sparked the last few page debate. You have to get a card and then you have to hope that card is the one you want or do it again.

[Snugglebutt]

I don't think anyone is missing the point. I'm pretty sure that exact quote is what sparked the last few page debate. You have to get a card and then you have to hope that card is the one you want or do it again.

You need to learn some compassion, you got lucky...well done but others have not. Your bragging that you have 75 cards and got this one in around a day will just annoy people who are not so lucky. People who have won over 500+ times against an NPC which will probably equate to over a thousand matches against her in total yet still have no card have every right to be annoyed, whether that annoyance is at their own bad luck or annoyed at people like you rubbing it in their faces how quickly you got yours.

RNG in itself is beneficial on many levels to this game but make no mistake when RNG is not on a persons side that person justifiably might be upset (even if RNG is a required part of the game and they realize that). One suggestion I heard which I did like was in reference to the relic grind a while ago which may be applicable here in that after x amount of wins if the card has not dropped then the percentage chance to drop is incrementally increased by a percent of few percent until the card drops first time, after the card drops the counter balance system resets back to normal drop rate (rinse and repeat). That way seems fair to me as an improvement to help alleviate the frustration people feel when things go against them, countering that extremely bad luck.