Healer Buffs

[KizunaBlade]

I am really starting to utterly despise speed runners for this reason as well as others. It was annoying enough on my own healer, but today I had to watch it happen to my best friend who had JUST HIT 50! He only had his AF gear and we were in copper bell hard. Tank runs off without buffs.(thank god for that lift or else my friend would have never had time)..proceeds to pull nearly the whole dungeon, and of course dies cause my poor friend cannot keep up. Then tank FINALLY looks at his gear, and INSULTS him for not having better gear. Then because my friend and the other dps did not know the mechanics (i did not have time to type it before tank rushed in) we wiped to first boss. Tank then yells at us for how we should know more with our gear. He then asks to be vote kicked cause he cant bear to be with us anymore.

This kind of thing drives me insane, it is a GAME! We are supposed to have FUN!. When did having the best gear and going the fastest override the fun and being a decent human being? Plus...in a lot of cases these failed "speed runs" make the dungeon take even longer then it would have the normal way. SMH...I just will never understand it.

[YukariOro]

A lot of the replies I've been getting from people lately is "I'm in a rush" or "just do it while I pull".

Guess they just really want to get their healer killed if they expect you to buff while they pull, since you risk pulling aggro with some buffs if you're casting them as they pull lol. Seriously, if they don't wanna wait for the buff, it's really their loss, tho generally I try to get it on asap when I can. I think too, a lot of people really have no clue just how much help those starter buffs can be when it comes to taking damage, especially Protect from a white mage.

[YukariOro]

Because when the tank is properly buffed that gives the healer more time to DPS. If the tank is losing HP as soon as he's done pulling and the healer needs to spam heal him are they going to have time to DPS?

So true, I frequently toss out SS (both tank and dps as needed) and Eye for an Eye on the tank so that as sch I have a bit more time to toss out my dots before I return to healing. As for SS, I actually have more of a tendency to cast it on the dps than the tank at times, if I have a lull in healing, since the SS disappears almost instantly on the tank, but not usually quite so quickly on the dps. If it saves me a heal or two, and allows me to toss out some dots at the same time, the SS is worth it sometimes imo. I also tend to try to cast SS on someone if they have raise weakness during a fight, and if the fight isn't too hectic atm, for that extra damage prevention buffer.

[Selli]

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Oh gosh, that's horrible. D: Is your friend okay? I had something similar happen to an FC mate (but it was AK or WP, their very first 50 dungeon ever) and they got bullied so bad by the party that they just quit. Some people don't remember what it's like to be new or what their first end-game dungeon was like. It's overwhelming enough without having someone put you down just for being new.

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I don't play SCH much, but I know that those DoTs take forever to throw up (and then you have to Bane too! QwQ) and having both the buffs on the tank really gives you the extra time needed to get those all up and Bane'd without having to worry about wasting Atherflow stacks on Lustrates.

And Stoneskinning after a Raise is the best! I witnessed a LOLDRG live through a 1-shot simply because the SCH had stoneskinned him before the WHM could protect and he had taken a smack to the face as soon as he got up.

[YukariOro]

This kind of thing drives me insane, it is a GAME! We are supposed to have FUN!

Some people just have no tolerance for others learning. Generally I'm pretty patient with wipes, I tend to find dying in mmos funny, so it's not often I get upset if I know everyone is trying and working to improve. I used to run a casual linkshell in XI tho and was constantly teaching and guiding newbies.

However, today my fc and I ran all 3 CTs, and we had a newbie in one. When some of my fc members nicely pointed out some people needed to do a bit better, he start raging, as if he was being singled out as the wrongdoer. He wasn't, one person not knowing something generally isn't an issue in CT. So I've seen nastiness from both sides sadly.

I really hope the friend doesn't get too upset or let it ruin the game. Some people just aren't team players so the're the ones I choose not to team up with when the rough gets going. Like you, I play for fun foremost.

[YukariOro]

And Stoneskinning after a Raise is the best! I witnessed a LOLDRG live through a 1-shot simply because the SCH had stoneskinned him before the WHM could protect and he had taken a smack to the face as soon as he got up.

I've had the same happen when I tossed SS on the tank in t5 months back. SS is a lifesaver that is ignored all too often by most healers. I also tend to toss an Aldo on the tank too to help before I cast my dots on sch too. I think I probably rely on buffing more than most healers in this game anyhow, given how habitually I used them back in my FFXI days.

In fact, lately I've been using my whm more often than my sch for CT because I've gotten annoyed with too many white mages not tossing out the buffs and skipping SS completely at the start of fights.

Nothing I hate more than having to cast protect and SS on sch while knowing the whm's buffs are stronger but they're not casting it for whatever reason lol.

[dayspring83]

If you're taking 30 seconds to pre-buff I wouldn't want to wait for it either.

But yeah, if they're literally just zooming off before even Protect lands on them, they can just go without it for all I care.

Haha, yeah that's my fault. I just generalize everything that I consider to be quick as "30 seconds". In reality I start casting Stoneskin as I see the "viewing custscene" go away and then once I have everyone lithified I go hit with Protect, Adlo and Succor depending on the pull or area. So however long that takes.

I dont run on WHM often, but then it's just Quickcast > SS2 and then Protect.

[dayspring83]

I'm pretty sure OP said 30 seconds because it's less than a minute and more than 10 seconds and they probably didn't sit down and do the math because there's no need for them too.

As for how much damage a healer does? My WHM's Holy's do 800-900 each. I do 3-5 Holy's depending on my tank. So if I did 5 Holy's and they each hit for 900 each, I'd be doing 4,500 to each thing I hit on top of what the party is doing. That burst is worth it.

I guess I brought it on myself for not calculating the exact time lol.

Plus this is also part of my point, if I can use my Aetherflow's on Energy Drain and not Lustrate, that's between 700-900 damage there.

[YukariOro]

I guess I brought it on myself for not calculating the exact time lol.

Plus this is also part of my point, if I can use my Aetherflow's on Energy Drain and not Lustrate, that's between 700-900 damage there.

I think the real question is, if they don't have time to wait for the buffs, why are they playing at all, if their time is that short. 30 seconds for a buff, which can happen if the healer is waiting for someone to get out of a cut scene for example, is hardly going to massively slow down any dungeon run.

I can just imagine someone saying, "Oh wait, I can cook my lunch irl 30 seconds sooner because I skipped letting that healer buff me," lol. Seriously, sometimes people are in such a rush that they forget shaving a minute or two off a dungeon really isn't that much of a time save in the long run.

Damage done on healer can make or break a fight tho, especially if overall dps is low. My sch dps and Selene helped majorly today when I ran Chrysalis with one of my linkshells.

[dayspring83]

If a missing stoneskin or protect at the beginning of the dungeon is causing trouble for a group and possible wipes... the REAL problem isn't the lack of healer buffs. Anything that COULD be warded off with those buffs can be healed through as well, unless we are talking about tanks who do massive pulls. The buffs are nice and should be up whenever possible, but they shouldn't make or break anything pre-endgame.

Some people just gotta go fast, and while it can be really dumb and inconsiderate, so is jumping into a dungeon and wasting several minutes "getting ready".

Again, my fault for not specifying. This is only an issue (for me at least) when running dungeons that typically use a speed run method. And again, I used some editorial exaggeration...do buffs make or break a run? Probably not, but the damage mitigation also lessens the likelihood of me having to press the "oh shit" button too early and pull hate.