Healer Buffs

[Selli]

Quantify it, how much damage are the others doing in that 30 seconds they had to stand around for a healer that takes that long to buff? How much damage are the healers doing? It's just a useless discussion unless you can prove it.

It doesn't literally take 30 seconds. On a WHM it's 3 seconds for protect, 5.5 seconds for Stoneskin II and an additional 3 seconds for anyone missing Stoneskin. So without Stoneskin II and without the healer having pre-buffed themselves, in a 4-man party that is 15 seconds of buffing. On a SCH it's 3 seconds for protect, 3 seconds for stoneskin, 2 seconds for Adlo, 2.5 seconds for succor. So to fully buff a party it is 20 seconds. I'm pretty sure OP said 30 seconds because it's less than a minute and more than 10 seconds and they probably didn't sit down and do the math because there's no need for them too.

As for how much damage a healer does? My WHM's Holy's do 800-900 each. I do 3-5 Holy's depending on my tank. So if I did 5 Holy's and they each hit for 900 each, I'd be doing 4,500 to each thing I hit on top of what the party is doing. That burst is worth it.

[SarcasmMisser]

Can you read the OP? you're not the topic creator they are, and they said 30. Don't make it about you no one was talking about you.

Am I the only one who has noticed an increase of people who are not willing to wait an extra 30 seconds for buffs at the beginning of dungeon runs?

[Selli]

Can you read the OP? you're not the topic creator they are, and they said 30. Don't make it about you no one was talking about you.

As I said, they probably said 30 because it takes more than 10 seconds and less than a minute. It's easier to go halfers with 30.

And you asked for numbers, so I gave you numbers. I don't know the item level of everyone here or the damage they do, so I went with what I have. If you don't want an answer, then don't ask a question.

[SarcasmMisser]

It's easier to round up what on earth are you saying? That the OP was just hyperbole? If it was why would you disagree with my post that is more or less calling that out? Why not let the op say what they're thinking, my first post was directed at the op and you come dashing in projecting yourself in his place like an imax, like you have a horse in this race. You don't know what they were thinking, everything in their defense is talking about you not them and you are clearly not seeing a spade for a spade. You are seeing something more than "30 seconds is too damn long to wait for healer buffs" because by your own admission it is too long, even if you don't use swiftcast for whatever reason, and instead treat the discussion as a partisan debate between 2 extremes.

[dekal]

This is another thread that we come to see that it is not the the fault of the healer/tank/DPs but the person/player behind the screen playing whatever class s/he wants.

[Selli]

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You never directed your post at anyone, you happened to reply while I was still in the thread so I answered. You wanted specific numbers, so I gave them to you with the stats I had on my own healers. I'm sorry that my information wasn't good enough for you. OP isn't going to answer everyone, so I figured an answer was better than none. But since you don't want my opinion and you're clearly so butthurt over it, I have no problem not continuing this conversation with you.

[TruebladeNuke]

I've rarely had runs in which the Tank would instantly take off on me before I even start casting buffs, but I've had those moments too. I mean seriously, it doesn't even take very long to cast Protect:

I still don't understand how impatience or "wow speed rush time" mentality makes people do this. Protect takes, what, 2.5 seconds to cast? I've had runs where literally the only reason we wiped was because the tank didn't have protect, and that +15% armor would've made all the difference in whether that cure II or adloquium finished casting before he died. A wipe costs more time than the 2.5 seconds it takes to cast protect. Even without an actual wipe happening, having protect up will SAVE more than 2.5 seconds due to less healing that the healer needs to do, which can possibly become more cleric stance time.

^ Ding ding ding ding.

In the rare instances of which I DO get a Tank that takes off like all of time itself is against him, I'll try to remedy the situation by blowing Swiftcast on Protect instead, but that means no Swiftcast of Stoneskin II for the team during the first pull, as that's where the real amount of regular cast time is. But hey, at least Protect is better than no defense buff at all. (And Protect doesn't blow up in a few seconds from enemy attacks either)

I don't mind speed rushes, but even speed rushes requires a functioning brain. At LEAST accept the damn Protect first before taking off.

[SarcasmMisser]

You never directed your post at anyone, you happened to reply while I was still in the thread so I answered. You wanted specific numbers, so I gave them to you with the stats I had on my own healers. I'm sorry that my information wasn't good enough for you. OP isn't going to answer everyone, so I figured an answer was better than none. But since you don't want my opinion and you're clearly so butthurt over it, I have no problem not continuing this conversation with you.

Your maths stinks anyway so what else would I discuss with you? I didn't ask how much damage holy does I wanted a break down on the difference in comparison to the difference of other jobs based on the assumptions in the OP and if you can't describe that in maths then there's no discussion to be had. If you are not interested in using real maths then don't go making claims that are only proven by maths.

But then you didn't want to talk about what the OP said.

[Mitsuyo]

I hate when people run off, and i'm trying to cast buffs on them. "Then they're all like, Where is my protect?". Then i'm like well if you'd wait a damn minute i would give it to you.

[Gunspec]

If a missing stoneskin or protect at the beginning of the dungeon is causing trouble for a group and possible wipes... the REAL problem isn't the lack of healer buffs. Anything that COULD be warded off with those buffs can be healed through as well, unless we are talking about tanks who do massive pulls. The buffs are nice and should be up whenever possible, but they shouldn't make or break anything pre-endgame.

Some people just gotta go fast, and while it can be really dumb and inconsiderate, so is jumping into a dungeon and wasting several minutes "getting ready".

Of course, I throw all consideration out the window when I do guildhests. Nothing more fun than blasting through a guildhest at top speed while level 15ish players stammer about me ruining their roles. "But I'm supposed to tank.. you aren't supposed to damage, what are you insane?" TANKING MEGA DAMAGE WHITE MAGE ACTIVATE!