Post pointless PvE abilities and how you'd make them relevant.

[HeavensSword]

Make Feint OGC with an appropriate length cooldown.

[Vallhallix]

Even in PVP there are plenty of smarter things to do with a better dmg output. Not even talking about the cast time.

Freeze in PvP is not about damage its about locking a party in place. That's its sole use, and its very effective.

Lol you're going to teach me how to BLM in PvP. I have the highest kills or am among the highest in damage output with the lowest KO's every match on both my BLM and SMN (feel free to message for screens). I've never died more than once as BLM in a match and the only time I do die is if my party is horribly overwhelmed though if I see thats whats going to happen usually I back off and regroup. 14 + kills when my team is good, 6+ 140k + damage dealt average with a pug team without using a single LB (and i'm talking terrible, healers not healing, party members all over the place) and if its premade this is whats going to happen to your team (http://i.imgur.com/qgWbnAU.png) and that was before Slaugther when we could cometeor spam. Heck even if i'm being lazy i'll still get atleast 6-8 kills. Most games I am the single reason the opposing team gets overwhelmed so quickly and i've done this by always sniping the trouble causing classes first and protecting my healers the minute some lowly NIN/PLD/DRG attacks them if I don't kill them I send them running back to their healers mostly I just kill them though and I will flare, stack scathe and phantom dart to scratch away any last chunk of health and throw a lethargy on them for good measure so the other party members (melee especially) can catch and strike them too before running back to their party. Matches go a whole lot slower when i'm playing as a WHM it seems. Though even as a WHM I play pretty aggressively. If my team is taking too long to kill things I get anxious, run over to one standing a little too close to the edge, and "this is sparda, or erm Eorzea. If they're close enough sometimes I run behind them and push them into my party to get mauled. Heh if pushing people off cliffs counted as kills i'd probably have more kills as a WHM than some of the DPS lmao I remember pushing atleast 7 off one match. I always get 5+ coms whenever I leave a session.

Anyway I know how to BLM and SMN they aren't hard classes, among the easiest in the game. On my SMN I was right behind the MNK in our FC dps. Probably would still be had I not got bored with SMN and made the switch. You act as if putting out massive damage on a class with the hardest hitting initial burst in the game is hard. Want to impress? get those numbers in PvP with a MNK. I use every tool the BLM has at its disposal including Aetheral manipulation, so far I think i'm the only one who actually utilizes that ability. On Midgardsormr I was in the top every week. Even if another BLM in the party manages to out damage me I almost always have the most kills. Give me a few days (switched to Balmung) I will be on this server too. What point did you have with the second post, so I don't rant and whine on the forums 24/7 ok? I love the game, doesn't mean i'm supposed to spend hours upon hours on the forums complaining i'd rather being playing. Freeze of no use in PvP yeah tell that to the team that got cometeor spammed by 5 blms. Sometimes its even better than sleep since you can actually target it. Cordination with your party brah, having multiple mages spread it out locks down the entire opposing side no matter how spread out they are. If you haven't learned this, then you aren't blm'ing well and would be better off going in as another class since you don't understand BLM in PvP is not a powerhouse just because its damage but because of its utility. Also I think your gf can speak for herself no need for WK'ing.

I just don't understand how there can be ANY complaints about BLM it's still the most op class in the game. I mean what do you want? you have a class with high burst damage, the best AoE in game, a class that sustains itself a class that neither needs support from any other class or regenerative skills to continue outputting high damage. The class only has one weakness that can be easily rendered a non issue with a decent player, and that's moving. What could you possibly want for a BLM that would not make them more broken?

[Phireblast]

Make Hyoton actually freeze enemies for a long period of time to help CC, or speedrunning.

[seekified]

Make Feint OGC with an appropriate length cooldown.

And make sure that 90% of Eorzea isn't immune to the damn thing. Seriously, this move could be such a great way to mitigate damage for tanks it's not even funny, but as it is now it becomes a 100% useless skill before you even hit level 50.

[Lyzern]

Repose

Sleep

Sleep II (?)

Slow attacks (Feint, etc)

Slow movement spells

Binds

Certain monsters in dungeons hit a lot harder;
Pairs of monsters that work together with debuffs (One of them increases target's damage taken, the other decreases healing done, for example). They would be deadly together but easy to kill alone.
Certain monsters would go into a rage increasing their damage/defense/speed/AoE and you'd have to sleep/kite them with slow/stunlock/freeze them until their rage is over.

Basically, make the game more tactical and more intelligent to play. I'm not saying do this for allll the dungeons, but certain, harder dungeons. Maybe Extreme versions of current dungeons.

[Dyne_Fellpool]

Rain of Death should apply the disembowel debuff (does not stack with Disembowel).
Quick Nock spam shouldn't be the most efficient way for Bards to AoE (it is, currently). This would make the WV>RoD>QN combo viable again, and slightly help DRG and BRD AoE dps at the cost of more TP.

[DSaint]

Awareness: Yeah, best defensive skill into pvp, but it is not so great into pve. Add a evasion buff to it, something like a untreated feather foot.

Tempered will: Another pvp skill. Buffing your CD to 30 sec will make this less 'meh'. Anyway! Who needs to avoid a knockback every 180 sec?????

Edit: Ops, it is a dps forum lol sorry

[Ultear_Milkovich]

hot air

Even if i had fun reading all your stuff (esp. the part when you said that you never died more then once in a PVP which will make any PVP veteran laugh...) you prolly missed something important.

This is about PVE. So yeah we maintain that freeze sucks.

On a footnote im disappointed by your attitude. You re prolly a very young person because your posts always express extreme opinions w/o any nuances.

On your old posts you stated that blm was a "boring low dps turret job". And now you re "this OP blm who makes the party wins coz BLM too OP"

The truth is that BLM is not weak and boring. nor it is OP or godlike. The BLM job as its weaknesses and strenghts and this is why i love it. Good blms know it. And deal with it and make the job shine. Not you.

Imho people saying "X Job sucks" or "X job is too OP" dont know anything. You re one of them.

Because with the job balance the reality is in the grays and not full black or white.

[Vallhallix]

Read a little more carefully as nowhere did I say that I only died once in PvP. BLM still is a turret job how is it not? My comments on BLM being boring was based on my Thaum which was the most boring class in the game to level. It was absolute torture, but in the end I stuck with it and now I main BLM instead. BLM's rotation is still quite boring, but the big numbers make up for it. Considering that I am an avid Pvper and have been since frontlines released I know what i'm talking about.

That's my main issue, your continued baseless accusations and elitist behaviour, don't do that. Some classes have more advantages in PvP than others those two classes are Bards and BLMs. BLMs rule PvP (range in general rules PvP Slaughter especially) they are in the top damage output wise and usually have the most kills every session and to this day are the only class (other than a BRD or SMN if they just dot everything the whole match) that rivals or surpasses my damage output.

[Ultear_Milkovich]

I never said that BLM is not the top class in terms of kills/damage dealt in PVP esp. in Slaughter.

I said that you can NOT consider BLM being OP in any shape or form in PVP.

BLM is like heavy artillery. It does tremendous damage to the foes OK but you need a lot of people acting as support with you.

If you leave Frontlines (slaughter being broken) for a bit and then go into Wolfes Den then you wont feel OP with a monk/bard duo chasing you and LOSing you while a good SCH cures all their sleeps. Not OP at all. But yeah in Slaugther if you keep hiding in the middle of 24 other guys then you will feel mighty. More than the melees who have generally low scores.

But again this has NOTHING to do with the thread so please open your all stuff into the PVP section