Post pointless PvE abilities and how you'd make them relevant.

[Ultear_Milkovich]

hot air

Even if i had fun reading all your stuff (esp. the part when you said that you never died more then once in a PVP which will make any PVP veteran laugh...) you prolly missed something important.

This is about PVE. So yeah we maintain that freeze sucks.

On a footnote im disappointed by your attitude. You re prolly a very young person because your posts always express extreme opinions w/o any nuances.

On your old posts you stated that blm was a "boring low dps turret job". And now you re "this OP blm who makes the party wins coz BLM too OP"

The truth is that BLM is not weak and boring. nor it is OP or godlike. The BLM job as its weaknesses and strenghts and this is why i love it. Good blms know it. And deal with it and make the job shine. Not you.

Imho people saying "X Job sucks" or "X job is too OP" dont know anything. You re one of them.

Because with the job balance the reality is in the grays and not full black or white.

[Vallhallix]

Read a little more carefully as nowhere did I say that I only died once in PvP. BLM still is a turret job how is it not? My comments on BLM being boring was based on my Thaum which was the most boring class in the game to level. It was absolute torture, but in the end I stuck with it and now I main BLM instead. BLM's rotation is still quite boring, but the big numbers make up for it. Considering that I am an avid Pvper and have been since frontlines released I know what i'm talking about.

That's my main issue, your continued baseless accusations and elitist behaviour, don't do that. Some classes have more advantages in PvP than others those two classes are Bards and BLMs. BLMs rule PvP (range in general rules PvP Slaughter especially) they are in the top damage output wise and usually have the most kills every session and to this day are the only class (other than a BRD or SMN if they just dot everything the whole match) that rivals or surpasses my damage output.

[Ultear_Milkovich]

I never said that BLM is not the top class in terms of kills/damage dealt in PVP esp. in Slaughter.

I said that you can NOT consider BLM being OP in any shape or form in PVP.

BLM is like heavy artillery. It does tremendous damage to the foes OK but you need a lot of people acting as support with you.

If you leave Frontlines (slaughter being broken) for a bit and then go into Wolfes Den then you wont feel OP with a monk/bard duo chasing you and LOSing you while a good SCH cures all their sleeps. Not OP at all. But yeah in Slaugther if you keep hiding in the middle of 24 other guys then you will feel mighty. More than the melees who have generally low scores.

But again this has NOTHING to do with the thread so please open your all stuff into the PVP section

[Vallhallix]

Isn't that basically every class in the game? the only classes with extreme survivability lacking support are tanks. (perhaps good SCH/WHM too).

I ran wolves den endlessly with SMN/BLM sucessfully before frontlines came out. They were strong in Wolves den too. You understimate how bad most players in PvP are outside of premade. Oh yeah BRDs are rough if you don't get the jump on them. But like MNKs and NINs they're incredibly squishy. If you get atleast the tiniest advantage over them (getting a fire III out first and then casting Equanimity and manawall for good measure) you can ruin them swiftly. MNKs and NINs? their hits tickle and you can destroy them before they even make it to you if you're on point. WHM's have 1v1'd them. DRG is the the top melee in PvP because of their burst, and the only class besides tanks ofcourse I resort to to raging strikes + virus + phantom dart + lethargy run and scathe tactics if they get the jump. Infact I save all those c/ds just for them. DRGs jumping is the real caster destroyer. SMN is better though at handeling melee when they have the advantage.

[Skeith-Adeline]

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This thread is about PvE abilities. Every response so far has been about PvP, which has absolutely 0 purpose in this thread. I can't care how l33t you are in your PvP. Good for you. Freeze, is absolutely, purposeless in all PvE content. Please stay on subject lol

[Ultear_Milkovich]

I have a much more interesting concern with a BLM spell and would like to get Skeith\\'s opinion on this.

We already know that - as long as you have a decent SSP score - B3 T1 B is master race in terms of UI phase. See Puro\\'s if any doubt. Of course T3 is still used for Thundercloud proc. And with a SCH you can open with T3 at pull regardless of your PIE.

For baddies who have 480 SSP - they could just stick with B3 T3 since it benefits from low SSP setups (SSP weight dropping from 0.282 to 0.26 or lower with B3 T3). Nobody cares.

Then what is T2 good for? OK it provides an alternative, 2nd best UI phase rotation (B3 T2) but it requires 251 PIE and you re at risk to wait for like half of a tick. I tested it back in the days when SCOB released and never parsed better than T1 B.

IMHO T2 could be much better if revamped as - idk - an AOE spell like B2 or F2. We cant afford an almost useless spell just for people who prefer the 251 PIE UI phase.

Any idea?

[Cynfael]

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This is a very good idea, come to think of it. I can't remember the last time I used T2 when not level-synced.

Thunderstorm? Can we have this?

[Eloah]

I like the idea of Thunder II being an AoE DoT, we need more of those. As for Freeze, I wish it was similar to Flare in terms of power and design. While no, as powerful, but still viable. Maybe have it add a magic debuff, or something, similar to Paladins Rage of Halone; reduced magic for 30s or so. Tri-disaster needs major adjusting. Either make it a GCD move that is its own thing, like deals 100 potency damage to all enemies in range, or an off GCD move that effects your current DoTs or deals elemental damage. And with Enkindle, just shorten the duration already, its not a powerful enough move for a five minute cool down.

[Ultear_Milkovich]

As a BLM who over stacks SSP (643 with food atm) i would like to see T2 made relevant again by some awesome AOE re design because i have absolutely no use of it.

Same with Freeze which i only use sometimes in PVE for the lolz. They could put a new binding spell in the next PVP panel and replace freeze by an "ice flare".

Last spell i rarely use now (in PVE) being Ice2 but as it is Xclass i can imagine they will keep it as a low profile spell in order to prevent make other jobs too OP with it. But i used to be a good spell in the past before the huge nerf it had (i think it was 2.1 or 2.2 when they removed thunder from the Xskills and put ice 2 instead)

[Zohnax]

Swap Axe Kick with One Ilm Punch. :> Unless Dispel will actually be something we can do to raid bosses, (or even most bosses), in the near expansion. Like Pacification! Although, I think that has slightly more use even than One Ilm Punch.