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    Quote Originally Posted by MXMoondoggie View Post
    Or the sheer amount of people who don't understand the concept of turning around to avoid Mortal Gaze still. How many times do they need to die from doom for that to sink in?
    Not everybody is actually aware that there's target-face mechanics in this game because nothing outright tells you this and only select few enemies even have this sorta thing - Melusine, some eyeball type enemies, Angramainyu and Boogey (actually snakes in Silvertear and possibly Qarn HM also do this). Eventually somebody will notice they dodged it but will they make the correct assumption about how it happened? It seems obvious to not look at something called Mortal Gaze but in reality it's not (the other Doom mechanic in this game doesn't have this property so people might as well go with "so I just chase the lit up panel like in Qarn"). Plus DPS might be too focused on their rotation to notice the castbar, that happens too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen_Cerfrumos View Post
    Not everybody is actually aware that there's target-face mechanics in this game because nothing outright tells you this and only select few enemies even have this sorta thing - Melusine, some eyeball type enemies, Angramainyu and Boogey (actually snakes in Silvertear and possibly Qarn HM also do this). Eventually somebody will notice they dodged it but will they make the correct assumption about how it happened? It seems obvious to not look at something called Mortal Gaze but in reality it's not (the other Doom mechanic in this game doesn't have this property so people might as well go with "so I just chase the lit up panel like in Qarn"). Plus DPS might be too focused on their rotation to notice the castbar, that happens too.
    Which would be fine if the content had not been out for weeks. People have had a long long time to learn these mechanics by now and it's not just one or two people not knowing what to do because they are new it's people who have obviously been farming it for weeks and they STILL mess up the simplest things.

    The fact everyone else turns around for the attack around them might give them a clue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MXMoondoggie View Post
    Which would be fine if the content had not been out for weeks. People have had a long long time to learn these mechanics by now and it's not just one or two people not knowing what to do because they are new it's people who have obviously been farming it for weeks and they STILL mess up the simplest things.
    This. At this point there is no reason for wipes to be happening other than people being stupid and ignoring mechanics (not attacking the Daewas, getting Doomed, not killing clouds and letting CoD get stacks, etc.). One of my friends actually had to make a "KILL THE DAEWAS NOW PLEASE" macro because we encountered so many wipes as a result of people ignoring them and just trying to burn the boss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MXMoondoggie View Post
    Which would be fine if the content had not been out for weeks. People have had a long long time to learn these mechanics by now and it's not just one or two people not knowing what to do because they are new it's people who have obviously been farming it for weeks and they STILL mess up the simplest things.

    The fact everyone else turns around for the attack around them might give them a clue.
    You pretend like these sorts of things are just second nature. It doesn't matter if people have been running it for weeks, there are still bound to be new players. People have been running LotA for MONTHS, the bosses get melted in 1/4th the time they used to, and i wipe on that duty more frequently than WoD. People just need to stop acting like everyone should know stuff just because they do. If it bothers you that much, have some macros on hand and be prepared to explain the mechanics.

    Mortal Gaze gives no real indication it has a Line of sight mechanic, it's pretty nuanced. The only reason I even thought to check was because of Turn 7. It even has a failsafe to remove the status.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edellis View Post
    You pretend like these sorts of things are just second nature. It doesn't matter if people have been running it for weeks, there are still bound to be new players. People have been running LotA for MONTHS, the bosses get melted in 1/4th the time they used to, and i wipe on that duty more frequently than WoD. People just need to stop acting like everyone should know stuff just because they do. If it bothers you that much, have some macros on hand and be prepared to explain the mechanics.
    It's not new players causing the issues when not a single "Mapping the Realm" achievement shows up at the end of the run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edellis View Post
    You pretend like these sorts of things are just second nature. It doesn't matter if people have been running it for weeks, there are still bound to be new players. People have been running LotA for MONTHS, the bosses get melted in 1/4th the time they used to, and i wipe on that duty more frequently than WoD. People just need to stop acting like everyone should know stuff just because they do. If it bothers you that much, have some macros on hand and be prepared to explain the mechanics.

    Mortal Gaze gives no real indication it has a Line of sight mechanic, it's pretty nuanced. The only reason I even thought to check was because of Turn 7. It even has a failsafe to remove the status.
    You really didn't read a single word i said did you. I wasn't talking about new players i was talking about those doing it for weeks who can't even manage simple things. There are a ton of people in chat telling new players to turn away from the boss on Mortal Gaze. There are a ton of people turning for that mechanic giving people a clue. I won't bitch at a new person for screwing it up but it annoys me to hell when people are not new and they still die from doom.

    It's simple to learn you act like it's an incredibly complex mechanic. You get it wrong somebody tells you how to do it right then you do it right all the other times. Even the debuff swap isn't difficult on that boss once you understand it. You are only swapping between two debuffs. In other games I've played you can be juggling three debuffs in a much smaller area while also dealing with an instant death mechanic. The add phase on the boss is not difficult a couple of White Mages could stun lock them to death so they can't even attack before they are burned down.

    Please explain what part of this boss or even the whole raid is hard.
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    Last edited by MXMoondoggie; 03-28-2015 at 09:06 PM.