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  1. #41
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    MXMoondoggie's Avatar
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    Pikarin Makai
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen_Cerfrumos View Post
    Not everybody is actually aware that there's target-face mechanics in this game because nothing outright tells you this and only select few enemies even have this sorta thing - Melusine, some eyeball type enemies, Angramainyu and Boogey (actually snakes in Silvertear and possibly Qarn HM also do this). Eventually somebody will notice they dodged it but will they make the correct assumption about how it happened? It seems obvious to not look at something called Mortal Gaze but in reality it's not (the other Doom mechanic in this game doesn't have this property so people might as well go with "so I just chase the lit up panel like in Qarn"). Plus DPS might be too focused on their rotation to notice the castbar, that happens too.
    Which would be fine if the content had not been out for weeks. People have had a long long time to learn these mechanics by now and it's not just one or two people not knowing what to do because they are new it's people who have obviously been farming it for weeks and they STILL mess up the simplest things.

    The fact everyone else turns around for the attack around them might give them a clue.
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    Last edited by MXMoondoggie; 03-26-2015 at 08:49 AM.

  2. #42
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    Nestama's Avatar
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    Nestama Eynfoetsyn
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    Lamia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    In fairness, that aoe circle is really hard to see, unlike Flare's.
    True, though the bright purple tethers are another implication of danger looming near.
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  3. #43
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    LunaHoshino's Avatar
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    Luna Hoshino
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    Quote Originally Posted by MXMoondoggie View Post
    Which would be fine if the content had not been out for weeks. People have had a long long time to learn these mechanics by now and it's not just one or two people not knowing what to do because they are new it's people who have obviously been farming it for weeks and they STILL mess up the simplest things.
    This. At this point there is no reason for wipes to be happening other than people being stupid and ignoring mechanics (not attacking the Daewas, getting Doomed, not killing clouds and letting CoD get stacks, etc.). One of my friends actually had to make a "KILL THE DAEWAS NOW PLEASE" macro because we encountered so many wipes as a result of people ignoring them and just trying to burn the boss.
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  4. #44
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    Wizhard Felfury
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    Cerberus
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    Paladin Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyalia View Post
    It's impossible to get Cerberus to 0% before he eats the second set of DPS.
    Expect it is very possible, it just requires semi-competent dps from all groups.
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  5. #45
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    Cynfael's Avatar
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    Sacrilege Moonshadow
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    SE Dev #1: "Team, I have a great idea for expanding raid progression beyond one chain at a time!"

    SE Dev #2: "Are you high? Do you see those nitwits failing at the same mechanics on their 200th run of WoD? They pay most of our bills, and they don't even do the one end-game scenario we already have. File your great idea in the cylindrical cabinet for processing."
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  6. #46
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    Nyalia's Avatar
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    Neri Feralheart
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    Faerie
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizhard View Post
    Expect it is very possible, it just requires semi-competent dps from all groups.
    Really? You've killed him before he spits the second Digestive Juices? Wow, the lowest I've seen him there was 20%.
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    (The links below are sadly outdated. I hope to get around to updating things at some point.)
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  7. #47
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    Velox's Avatar
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    Velo'a Nharoz
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    Mateus
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyalia View Post
    Really? You've killed him before he spits the second Digestive Juices? Wow, the lowest I've seen him there was 20%.
    I've seen it happen once so it is doable. Mainly it requires DPS to not being getting hit by stupid crap (Hound out of Hell, the lightning things, etc) which frees up 5 of the healers to help DPS.

    Only had one raid group like this though (literally blitzed all the fights). For 99% of the parties going through WoD it's still wipe after wipe to simple mechanics.
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  8. #48
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    Neri Feralheart
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velox View Post
    I've seen it happen once so it is doable. Mainly it requires DPS to not being getting hit by stupid crap (Hound out of Hell, the lightning things, etc) which frees up 5 of the healers to help DPS.

    Only had one raid group like this though (literally blitzed all the fights). For 99% of the parties going through WoD it's still wipe after wipe to simple mechanics.
    Good to know, thank you. I didn't think it was possible with current gear since I've never seen him anywhere near 0 by that point. Still, I stand by my position above - if you don't want to wipe in WoD, don't let any one person's mistake wipe the raid. Double up on MTs in the ahriman boss, double up on people in the slime puddles against the second boss (who is literally a five headed dragon), double up on OTs for Wolfsbanes during Cerberus, double up on people in meteors against Cloud of Darkness, send all DPS in for Cerberus, and don't wait on chains.

    Even if you can down cerby before the second Gastric Juices by holding onto the chains a bit longer, is a few seconds guaranteed of extra combat really worse than a potential wipe?

    Don't put yourself in a position where one person screwing up wipes the raid and then blame that one person. It's your fault too if you could have saved the raid via redundancy.
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    (The links below are sadly outdated. I hope to get around to updating things at some point.)
    Desynthesis Guide: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivdesynth

    Airship Guide: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivairshipguide (\v/) Airship Quick Reference: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivairshipqr
    Airship Logsheet: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivairshiplog (/|\) Airship Builder Tool: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivairshipbuilder

  9. #49
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    Knero Yugen
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    Leviathan
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    Just had to vent somewhere.

    I was just in WoD at 2nd boss(with maintenance going on) and I DC, log back in everything seems fine. Then I see in my chat log that i've been dismissed. boom get kicked from WoD and it's unfair.....fck fgts, ty.
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  10. #50
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    Aria Elunia
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    Adamantoise
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    I've been playing as a tank for last several runs of WOD.
    My tank setup is mediocre, only ilvl 114. When I see the other 2 tanks seem to have more ilvl to me (with zodiac zeta weapon), I let them pull and become MT.
    The problem is, they don't want to. They just stand there and not pulling anything.
    Now, when I start pulling them, that's when they try their hardest to pull the agro from me (those 2 tanks).
    I just don't know what was on their mind. If you want to MT, then pull them right away.
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