They should rename WoD "World of Salt"

[MXMoondoggie]

In fact, I had a particularly filling meal of salt a couple days ago. Our run went well until Cerberus when I accidentally wiped the raid because I didn't realize his chains could time out before you applied them to the collar (thought I'd be smart and prolong the time he couldn't attack).

Oh you're one of THOSE. There is zero reason to hold the chain hostage it helps nothing. Why is a Tank holding chains anyway? Why aren't you pulling adds? The Tanks are the first thing Healers will throw a heal on you don't want to be near the chains. Holding them hostage just prolongs the time before the next belly phase which is a huge chunk of damage in other words pointless.

[Wizhard]

Oh you're one of THOSE. There is zero reason to hold the chain hostage it helps nothing. Why is a Tank holding chains anyway? Why aren't you pulling adds? The Tanks are the first thing Healers will throw a heal on you don't want to be near the chains. Holding them hostage just prolongs the time before the next belly phase which is a huge chunk of damage in other words pointless.

Or you can, you know, kill him before the second belly phase.

[RyuDragnier]

Or you can, you know, kill him before the second belly phase.

Not worth risking a wipe IMO, especially since it's very easy to wipe there if some fool doesn't connect the chain. Plus if the DPS is really good, the second the 2nd belly phase is done he dies. So you really should only have to touch the chains once.

[Wizhard]

Not worth risking a wipe IMO, especially since it's very easy to wipe there if some fool doesn't connect the chain. Plus if the DPS is really good, the second the 2nd belly phase is done he dies. So you really should only have to touch the chains once.

If the dps is good he dies before he even does a second slabber.

[RyuDragnier]

If the dps is good he dies before he even does a second slabber.

I've never seen DPS that good. In every run I've been in, there's always 2-4 DPS who suck badly enough to where it's only possible to kill Cerberus at the end of the 2nd Belly phase or right before the chains are put on for the 2nd time. I've never seen anything better than that, which should tell you how bad the players are around here.

[Darkobra]

Oh you're one of THOSE. There is zero reason to hold the chain hostage it helps nothing. Why is a Tank holding chains anyway? Why aren't you pulling adds? The Tanks are the first thing Healers will throw a heal on you don't want to be near the chains. Holding them hostage just prolongs the time before the next belly phase which is a huge chunk of damage in other words pointless.

Truth. Faster belly phase is better than a small amount of damage extra.

[Ashkendor]

Oh you're one of THOSE. There is zero reason to hold the chain hostage it helps nothing. Why is a Tank holding chains anyway? Why aren't you pulling adds?

As MT, I frequently go get the chains. What else are you gonna do while the mob is laying on the floor? I agree with not waiting till he's about to wake up to apply them, though. It's pointless. MT should ideally not be tanking any adds along with the dog because of their knockback. The alliance has two other tanks for that.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

No, MX. It sounds to me like the OP made a mistake (with good intent), owned up to it and apologized, but people used that as a polarizing point to rage and hate on, apparently even crossing the line into clear and undisputable verbal abuse.

To the OP: I'm sorry that happened to you. I am however happy that you both realized your mistake and owned up to it. Not many would do that. As for the people raging, people will find something no doubt. If not a big mistake, they'll target a little one. How can you mitigate that? Play your part as well as you can, then, once you've got that locked down, don't be afraid to step up or step outside of your role if it's in the best needs of the party/alliance. The rest is all just white noise.

[Nerael]

No, MX. It sounds to me like the OP made a mistake (with good intent), owned up to it and apologized, but people used that as a polarizing point to rage and hate on, apparently even crossing the line into clear and undisputable verbal abuse.

This.

People make mistakes, understandable, recognizable. We all 'kupo' up every once in a while.
Own up to your mistake and apologize for it. Learn from your mistake and do it better the next time around.

Verbally abusing someone for making a mistake is just bad form and reflects on them, not the person making a mistake.
I rather kick the abuser from the group than a person whom made an honest mistake.

Problem is, when people make mistakes, it's often immediately interpreted as trolling by certain people and thus the "World of Darkness" turns into "World of Salt"

[Iagainsti]

This.

People make mistakes, understandable, recognizable. We all 'kupo' up every once in a while.
Own up to your mistake and apologize for it. Learn from your mistake and do it better the next time around.

Verbally abusing someone for making a mistake is just bad form and reflects on them, not the person making a mistake.
I rather kick the abuser from the group than a person whom made an honest mistake.

Problem is, when people make mistakes, it's often immediately interpreted as trolling by certain people and thus the "World of Darkness" turns into "World of Salt"

I like this. I have been playing since launch, and I recall how Qarn at the proper level was a hurdle, and how there was no rage in pugs, everyone wanted to clear it, so ppl were patient and helpful. Sad that 1 1/2 years later, we've as a community have lost that co-op mutual respect attitude or whatever.