gutted

[MageBlack]

All of those features were ment to promote just that tho.

This argument was made before, but I decided not to respond then. My reply:
Then I would actually bother to obtain a fully upgraded relic weapon, whereas I currently have not progressed beyond the first step.


I figured as much. However, that is part of ''airships'', and shouldnt be listed as a seperate point.



Not very chancy at all. It's no optimal solution, I agree with that. But the argument is more intended to point out the fallacy in the argument. ''you can only take 1m gil with you when you transfer'' That's a poor argument to use against transfering servers.


I can't answer that. If it follows the same system of ''all servers have the same amount of plots'' then it seems like it will be the same situation as it is now. Not enough plots on the larger servers, empty wards on the smaller servers.


You can but you don't have to. Most solid reasoning I've ever seen. Excellent arguments, great examples.


Indeed.

[Ashkendor]

You guys can attack the OP all you want, but deep down you know the housing system in this game is terrible. It's probably the worst of any modern MMO I've played. I could list scores of MMOs that do player housing better, but I don't have to. You know it's awful. You're going after him over his rmt comment because that's easier than defending the over-priced and severely limited system SE has set up.

No, people are replying to the RMT comment because they're genuinely offended by it, not because they want to discredit the OP in order to defend the housing system. Not too many people want to actually defend the housing system. We know that there's problems with it; it's been rehashed in countless threads.

[Leash]

My friend bought the last Small House on Hyperion almost 5 months ago. There been none available for a long time.

Probably should have checked first..

[Noni]

Finally saved up enough for a small house but there are not any to buy. I should have just done rmt like everyone else to get enough. Play at your own pace, don't live your life on here...etc. No it doesn't support that at all. I'm angry and pissed off. I have a job and a family in real life. Why shouldn't I be able to work towards a house on here? All the housing junk they've been giving away with all the events I've been faithfully saving up until I could get my own house, well that's a nice kick in the face.


I've builta bridge for all you trolls

I am on Hyperion I work full time, own a small business on the side and still had time to get a house....I saved up my gil for months, set my alarm on patch day for 5:00 a.m. est and got my pick of any house I wanted. Maybe you should rethink your original statement about no lifers or gil buyers being the only ones who got a house. With a little planning ahead it was totally possible on any server.

[Aivi_lo]

I am on Hyperion I work full time, own a small business on the side and still had time to get a house....I saved up my gil for months, set my alarm on patch day for 5:00 a.m. est and got my pick of any house I wanted. Maybe you should rethink your original statement about no lifers or gil buyers being the only ones who got a house. With a little planning ahead it was totally possible on any server.

I did and I've tried explaining

[Aeyis]

So basically, when I had a whole set of different points, one of which even strongely agreeing with you; all you did was make a sarcastic comment+ img.

+1 to you. (for not reading)

[Akuryu]

You can but you don't have to. Most solid reasoning I've ever seen. Excellent arguments, great examples.

I'll give you one, the last MMO I played: Rift.

In Rift you don't so much buy a house as you own a dimension. Think of it like owning land. You can build a house, or multiple houses, bridges, docks, boats, roller coasters, The Death Star etc. Whatever you want to build. There are different themes... a desert oasis, a rocky cliffside, lakefront, islands, forests, etc. They come in various sizes, but even the smallest ones are larger than a large FC house in FFXIV. The larger ones are the size of a whole ward in FFXIV.

Surely these are limited... I mean think of the servers!
Nope. All players can own up to 20 dimensions. If for some reason 20 isn't enough for you, you can make an alt for more, then give your main permissions to build/edit the area.

Well then surely they are reserved for the richest 1%...
Nope. Actually the game gives all characters 2 free ones. From there more can be earned from quests, seasonal events, purchased with in-game currency or from the cash shop. There are no taxes or up-keep costs.

Well they must look just awful.
I guess that's subjective. http://www.dimensiongallery.com/

Good enough arguments for you or should I move on to another game?

[Jynx]

Solution.

Personal housing: Instanced.
Free company housing: as is.

The whole thing just feels like they promised more than they can deliver.

Instance personal housing space link it to private rooms make them expandable. Stop using servers space and character data as an excuse. Get better servers give players a experience unlike any other and people will come in droves. Keep telling us your at max capacity 4 hen people won't come and others will leave in frustration.

[Yumi_umi]

And to add more injury to this, i know for a fact tht some ppl get bored and buy multiple houses with alts or thru friends lol
Cuz they r like i has all this gil and nothing else to spend it on.
Looking at u ppl with t13 on farm with all up to date crafting/ gathering gear.
Only thing left to do is to spend it on furniture and other Stuff like houses.

Just save ur gil till 3.0 and buy up a house etc.
I'm 99% sure they will make more plots if not on 3.0

[MageBlack]

All of those features were ment to promote just that tho.

Promote what? People joining existing FC's? Highly unrealistic to expect every new player to conform to existing FC's and does not address the issue new FC's looking to establish themselves.

This argument was made before, but I decided not to respond then. My reply:
Then I would actually bother to obtain a fully upgraded relic weapon, whereas I currently have not progressed beyond the first step.

So your solution, rather then see if they can reform the system to accomodate other players than yourself who does not care you just want to give up? First come first served for something that has so much content gated behind it is a terrible system. and yes, the relic example is a poor one.

I figured as much. However, that is part of ''airships'', and shouldnt be listed as a seperate point.

I listed crafting and airship content seperate because there will be other crafting projects. For example the Wedding cakes and Vantilione cakes can be crafted as a group project then FC members can cut off a slice for the buff. This was mentioned way back in 1.0 so i'm hoping other such content will be coming.

Not very chancy at all. It's no optimal solution, I agree with that. But the argument is more intended to point out the fallacy in the argument. ''you can only take 1m gil with you when you transfer'' That's a poor argument to use against transferring servers.

Ok. let me elaborate on it. The FC I'm in is about 21 members, all of us were RL friends before meeting in the game. I was on this server from 1.0 and was merged here from another server when they condensed (i know I've gone over all this before in the other thread you commented on but here we go again...) The core 10 of us were on here from 2.0 launch the rest came here to be with us. 3 of us are direct family members (that will cost me 80$ minimum to transfer just the people in my household) let alone asking all of us to transfer at their own expense and I really don't want to break up our group for a house. As a FC we have close to 16mil, personally I have 7mil, let alone what the other members have, that is a LOT of item management and hoping the prices dont get completely undercut. Way to risky to try and transfer ( I also know that retainers can also carry over some gil but it is still nowhere near enough.) And no, a house is not worth all that BS, I'm not upset about housing just disappointed and a little frustrated that the point of availability is continually ignored, excused and dismissed. Yoshi-P addressed the cost many moons age but still has not addressed or even acknowledged the issue of availability. Just a "we are looking into it" would be nice.

I can't answer that. If it follows the same system of ''all servers have the same amount of plots'' then it seems like it will be the same situation as it is now. Not enough plots on the larger servers, empty wards on the smaller servers.

Yes, it has to be a little frustrating for them too to see housing wards empty while others are full to capacity since day one. Hope they can figure things out.

You had been commenting in the other thread and I felt that most of what has been said and brought up before had already "addressed" the things you brought up. I also felt that it was going to be a little pointless to waste all this time replying when the points I made can be dismissed so flippantly. There are so many reasons to to add wards or change the system entirely that making excuses for this system just makes me shake my head. Sure, this system is great for people on a low pop server, with lots of gil, playing solo or with friends willing to FC hop to find "the right one", and who already have a house. I'm not one of those people though and I doubt I'm alone.

EDIT: and as i figured, this whole post was wasted effort.

K