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  1. #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by ServerCollaps View Post
    they didnt allow it, they implemented several mechanics which make wintrading unattractive

    but players will always find a way to trick the system
    What are you even saying? They did not implement anything to deter wintrading, the current system is saying "win trading is the way to go"
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  2. #82
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    people who just bought 15 wins have usually way less points than people who won 15 fair matches

    think about it

    sure, its possible to cheese, but its not that easy as you try to make it
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    Last edited by ServerCollaps; 03-15-2015 at 07:54 PM.

  3. #83
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    Quote Originally Posted by ServerCollaps View Post
    people who just bought 15 wins have way less points than people who won 15 fair matches

    think about it
    I don't know how much you want me to sit here and think about how wrong you are, but I don't enjoy thinking ill of anyone.

    The fact of the matter is that people have won the Lightning card through, while not necessarily "illegal/cheating" means in SE's eyes (since none of the people involved were punished any way), unsportsmanlike behavior. In fact, there was even a video posted in which the person used the methods to place and then immediately tossed out the card. This is the link.
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    Last edited by Madigari; 03-15-2015 at 07:59 PM.

  4. #84
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madigari View Post
    stuff
    the video isnt available in germany because of copyright stuff and I care to less to find a way to change that

    you still dont get my point: the devs implemented some ways which make cheesing hard: you cant just beat one person over and over again, you cant even defeat a person who gave a single win to someone else etc

    I never said that cheesing isnt possible, I just wanted to to point out, that the devs were aware of wintrading and it could be way easier if they were not

    everyone here acts like the devs didnt know what they did, the "cheaters" are just way bigger scums as the devs expected
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  5. #85
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riepah View Post
    That they allowed the first tournament to go the way it did was disgusting as hell. If they're really going to make another cheat-tournament before fixing it, I'll lose any faith I had left for them.
    How's the weather on that high horse?
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  6. #86
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    Quote Originally Posted by ServerCollaps View Post
    "stuff"
    They hardly made it that difficult. There's absolutely nothing complicated to it. People figured out how to manipulate the tournament within the course of a single day, and it's so easy, anyone could do it. All you need are friends/people who are willing to help you in exchange for gil/other services.

    There's no "extremes" people are having to go to in order to get high scores/place in this tournament. I don't know why you keep acting like people went above and beyond to achieve this. They really didn't.
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  7. #87
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    Quote Originally Posted by ServerCollaps View Post
    the video isnt available in germany because of copyright stuff and I care to less to find a way to change that

    you still dont get my point: the devs implemented some ways which make cheesing hard: you cant just beat one person over and over again, you cant even defeat a person who gave a single win to someone else etc

    I never said that cheesing isnt possible, I just wanted to to point out, that the devs were aware of wintrading and it could be way easier if they were not

    everyone here acts like the devs didnt know what they did, the "cheaters" are just way bigger scums as the devs expected
    It's more like nearly everyone with the Lightning card gained it by cheating. It wasnt remotely as hard to cheat in this tournament as you believe. The video linked shows that much as well.

    PS: if a simple video like that was blocked for your country you might want to consider changing your set country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeyis View Post
    stuff
    so, where did I write that everyone won the card fair?

    dont post, if you have nothing to say
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    Quote Originally Posted by ServerCollaps View Post
    so, where did I write that everyone won the card fair?

    dont post, if you have nothing to say
    You said that it was hard to cheat, and my argument is that it wasn't.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeyis View Post
    It wasnt remotely as hard to cheat in this tournament as you believe. The video linked shows that much as well.

    If you feel I don't have anything to say, atleast base that off what I actually wrote; not what you want to believe I wrote.
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    Last edited by Aeyis; 03-16-2015 at 11:00 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeyis View Post
    You said that it was hard to cheat, and my argument is that it wasn't.

    If you feel I don't have anything to say, atleast base that off what I actually wrote; not what you want to believe I wrote.
    maybe read what you qoute

    I never said that cheesing isnt possible, I just wanted to to point out, that the devs were aware of wintrading and it could be way easier if they were not
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