MGP too much of a grind

[RobinRethiel]

Seems you want Gold Saucer to be a place where you can gamble. I think it's safe to say that they purposely designed it to not be that, and I don't think they have any intention of making it so.

They wanted to make it a place where you can have fun, without any major risk of losing. You may not find that fun, and so Gold Saucer may just not be for you. If you're not finding it fun, then just don't participate. If you still want the items, just participate in the mini cactpot and you'll eventually get a good amount of items with very little grind.

Gold Saucer is not such a place to have fun. It's fun for a few days, because it is new. Then it becomes repetitive and since long-term goals are only able to reach with a massive grind, which is no fun at all, because chocobo racing is actually burning MGP and Triple Triad against the same person over and over again is dumbing-down, people just let it go.

Items with mini cactpot? Only if you are lucky, that's the point. Yeah, some already got 50k MGP by it. Others not even 10k and you don't get much for 10k.

And no major risk of losing? Gold and silver packs for the rare cards? Chocobo breeding licenses? You can waste there hundredthousands of MGP and can have NOTHING at the end. And of course this is an immense loss inside this game. You can easily translate the MGP grind to a gil grind. In the time you make 10k MGP you could also generate 1M gil or more. And then you buy four gold packs with these 1M gil aaaaaand it's gone!

It's a MASSIVE loss.

go for cloud + nanamo card if you dont want to risk to lose mgp by buying card packs

That's like telling a new player, who wants to collect the tank and healer Shiva weapons and by bad luck is getting no single one of them, that he should just grind all the nexus weapons. And I got over 60 cards, but I don't discuss this because of me, but because of hundredthousand other players.

They should really give people like you something to grind. Make it a big, glowing sign over your head, telling everyone "I'm the uberpro" for 10M MGP. No problem with that. Just give the normal people also something to do. Else they will just stop caring about Gold Saucer - and about FF14 in total, because the RNG and grind is annoying for many, many players. And you and your grinding friends, no matter how hard and often you play, you are just a single player, like them.

Square wants to make money with this and if they got the heart and soul of game developers, also want the people to have fun. So telling them, that many people don't have fun because of this and that... it's just about helping them, if they want to make money or people happy.

It's very easy to satisfy grinders. Just put something completely useless but unique into the game they can go for. But when Square starts to serve only the grinders, they will snub all others.

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go for cloud + nanamo card if you dont want to risk to lose mgp by buying card packs

[Welsper59]

Gold Saucer is not such a place to have fun. It's fun for a few days, because it is new. Then it becomes repetitive and since long-term goals are only able to reach with a massive grind, which is no fun at all, because chocobo racing is actually burning MGP and Triple Triad against the same person over and over again is dumbing-down, people just let it go.

Items with mini cactpot? Only if you are lucky, that's the point. Yeah, some already got 50k MGP by it. Others not even 10k and you don't get much for 10k.

And no major risk of losing? Gold and silver packs for the rare cards? Chocobo breeding licenses? You can waste there hundredthousands of MGP and can have NOTHING at the end. And of course this is an immense loss inside this game. You can easily translate the MGP grind to a gil grind. In the time you make 10k MGP you could also generate 1M gil or more. And then you buy four gold packs with these 1M gil aaaaaand it's gone!

It's a MASSIVE loss.

Gold Saucer is not meant to keep you away from other content. We wouldn't see a need for an expansion or new updates if that were the case. You're meant to just go there to kill time (or if you have the drive to grind the hell out of MGP). So yeah, people will stop doing the content exclusively... I think that's expected by everyone logical.

Your reference to chocobo racing is wrong btw. Why you would be burning MGP is most likely self-inflicted. Being efficient about your time and MGP usage is important if your goal is to make more. The only expense 99% of the player base should care for with racing is the breeding birds, of which they're pretty damn cheap and you only really need one. You're intended to progress your birds pedigree to build up to great stats and abilities (unless you luck out early on). Feeds really only need g1, which you can buy for 1500 gil.

The packs, just like the birds, are a self-inflicted hurt on your MGP. There are ways around them, depending on your goals for TT (such as just trying to hit 30/60 cards). If you're trying to get the best of everything immediately, of course you're going to never have MGP to do stuff. Take some responsibility for your decisions lol.

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Take some responsibility for your decisions lol.

Careful, I mentioned work to this person in a thread they started about MGP, and was threatened by them that they would report me for insulting them.

[RobinRethiel]

Your reference to chocobo racing is wrong btw. Why you would be burning MGP is most likely self-inflicted. Being efficient about your time and MGP usage is important if your goal is to make more. The only expense 99% of the player base should care for with racing is the breeding birds, of which they're pretty damn cheap and you only really need one. You're intended to progress your birds pedigree to build up to great stats and abilities (unless you luck out early on). Feeds really only need g1, which you can buy for 1500 gil.

You are wrong, obviously. If you are breeding a chocobo with a lot of 1 Star parent stats, it will become more and more difficult to compensate this later and you need even more luck (and it is quite possible, that you will never get one, that will do it). It will also get very difficult = more time consuming, to level up a bad chocobo.

You answer is revolving way too much around yourself and not the system itself. That's the exact wrong way to create a smoothly working system.

I don't waste any MGP into food by the way. I also don't waste MGP into gold packages. Nonetheless: such RNG things are a MASSIV MGP sink.


You know: I don't need ANY of the rewards in Gold Saucer. I don't like the look of the Gambler Set, I don't like Fenrir as a mount, I couldn't care less about those expensive cards (and by the way got most of my cards out of TT games and dungeons). I don't want to look like a sex symbol, so I don't go for the bunny outfit and the minions are pretty cheap, their prizes are okay, just like the city garments.

It's not about me. It's about the system and that it maybe is not killing FF14, but hurting it. And I don't like that. I don't want, that FF14 is getting hurt. I want, that it is getting better for everyone. That it is getting the best MMO out there, not another RNG/Grind nightmare, like so many others. We got DOZENS of such shitty games full with RNG and grind. We don't need another copy of that.

Careful, I mentioned work to this person in a thread they started about MGP, and was threatened by them that they would report me for insulting them.

While I don't agree with the post of Welsper59, I don't see an insult in there. I think, he/she is wrong, but is trying to explain his/her point of view. That's different to what you did.

@ Nutz
It is not getting better at the moment, not much.

The best grinding you can do is gaining 90 MGP per ~40s Triple Trial. Maybe now and then some 2-3 star cards, making it 95 MGP in average. That's, let be generous: 9k GMP in an hour with 90 TT games, which are absolutely repetitive and hard to endure for a sane mind.

[MomomiMomi]

Gold Saucer is not such a place to have fun. It's fun for a few days, because it is new.

Not fun for you. I really enjoy chocobo racing, and no, it's not the MGP burning you're trying to make it out to be. Learn to accept 1 stars to cut down on your costs. They really don't matter. Whether it's 1, 2, or 3 stars, the ideal goal is to stamp them out eventually anyway. So it doesn't matter that you have a bunch of 1 stars.

Introduce a few 4 stars into your birds over time. Then breed your own chocobos with each other. Congratulations, your costs are gone.

[RobinRethiel]

Not fun for you. I really enjoy chocobo racing, and no, it's not the MGP burning you're trying to make it out to be. Learn to accept 1 stars to cut down on your costs. They really don't matter. Whether it's 1, 2, or 3 stars, the ideal goal is to stamp them out eventually anyway. So it doesn't matter that you have a bunch of 1 stars.

Introduce a few 4 stars into your birds over time. Then breed your own chocobos with each other. Congratulations, your costs are gone.

Yeah, I know, it is all about you and no one else. So why even post here? Do you fear, that others beside you may have fun, too?

And your "infos" are completly worthless, because you CAN'T "introduce" some 4 stars into a chocobo breed, if you don't GET any 4 stars or they simply don't inherite. THAT is the whole point. When you buy 10 chocobos and very single one of them got 8 of the 10 stats on 1 star and an absolut worthless skill, it will be always absolut pointless to breed it. What you are writing got nothing to do with the situation in the game. You only see yourself and yeah, you might be lucky, good for you, does not help all the others.

[MomomiMomi]

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Sorry, but nobody can make you have fun. Don't find it fun? Don't do it. You said it's not fun. I suggest you move on, then. I'm not saying this as some selfish remark. It's an honest suggestion for your benefit. I don't do things I don't find fun, and I'm honestly amazed that people do things they don't find fun themselves.

And as I said, it doesn't matter how many 1 star stats you have. 8 1 star stats is fine. I got those too. Use it anyway, which is what I did. You'll eventually get something better. Stop wasting your MGP and throwing them away. All you're doing is deciding to take the worst approach to it and then complaining about it.

[RobinRethiel]

Sorry, but nobody can make you have fun. Don't find it fun? Don't do it. You said it's not fun. I suggest you move on, then. I'm not saying this as some selfish remark. It's an honest suggestion for your benefit. I don't do things I don't find fun, and I'm honestly amazed that people do things they don't find fun themselves.

And as I said, it doesn't matter how many 1 star stats you have. 8 1 star stats is fine. I got those too. Use it anyway, which is what I did. You'll eventually get something better. Stop wasting your MGP and throwing them away. All you're doing is deciding to take the worst approach to it and then complaining about it.

All you do is ignoring simply facts to create a fake point for defending your lost position. Just stop lying to other players. It's one thing, when you are lying to yourself, but here it becomes toxic. Others may read this and may believe this nonsense you are writing here, finding themselves in a dead corner at the end.

A bad star rating means, that you got a disastrous low stat from the start and the power of food is also reduced. It will also always be part of the lottery of breeding and the more bad star ratings the parents of a breeding chocobo got, the more luck you need in the breeding process. Even if the other chcocobo is an All-Star-One, which would be pretty much impossible luck, ALL the bad star rating of the "cripple" chocobo may inherited, totally crushing this one great luck someone got with the bought chocobo.

It's a colossal cheek toward everyone who reads your post and does not know the whole breeding process yet, what you are trying to do here.

A grind is only a grind if you make it so.

Can you explain this sentence? It does not make any sense for itself.

[Beeraga]

Oh sorry, you need to equips the Spectacles of Instantly Removes RAGE AGAINST THE SIDESHOW to understand.