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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinRethiel View Post
    If they really like casino so much...
    ...then there would be considerably LESS ways of getting out more than you put in, and the grab machine would randomly drop or even fail to pick up the prize, even if it was dead on.

    As for chocobo racing, AFAIK you still gain by crossing the line AFK in last place.

    House always wins? Not in the Gold Saucer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duuude007 View Post
    Um, have you even tried the solver?

    It will give you the best choices of field to reveal and best row to choose, based on the possible sum values of the 3 fields.

    That's basic math yes, but many variables since the rewards are not sequential by the result sum.

    Therefore you can influence your four choices to click to achieve the best possible result for any given day AFTER the RNG of "what layout the numbers are".
    You can check all wins after you picked your line. So everyone can know, which would have been the max win, and very ofter for many player, there is simply not right line to win more than 360 GP.

    Sure I know those calculators, they are pretty simple, but as said, they can only guess and of cause they can't change a low win ticket in a high win ticket. When every single day the max win is below 1000GP, you will never get more.
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  3. #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eye_Gore View Post
    I mentioned your name specifically?
    You mentioned "threads like this", it is my thread, so yes. As said: if you can't contribute anything of worth, stop it. At least those insults.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinRethiel View Post
    You can check all wins after you picked your line. So everyone can know, which would have been the max win, and very ofter for many player, there is simply not right line to win more than 360 GP.
    Well that is a fact and another fact is that all the other rewards are basically useless except the 10k. Even the 3,600 reward is useless. The only reward that you should ever try to go for in the ticket if there is even a chance for it is the 10k max reward, if not, then the 3600 one. You can collect 3600 in ~30 minutes by spamming wins against a card npc in TT with 100% winning chance. So paying 100 mgp for the ticket and then winning anything between 36 and 3600 is useless when you can get 14 wins in 10 mins with 100% winning probability against the card NPC which gives you 90 mgp for every win. So uhh.. 1260 mgp / 10 min. You can only get 1 ticket a day too for the mini cactpot. The smaller rewards should be bigger too.
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  5. #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duuude007 View Post
    Um, have you even tried the solver?

    It will give you the best choices of field to reveal and best row to choose, based on the possible sum values of the 3 fields.

    That's basic math yes, but many variables since the rewards are not sequential by the result sum.

    Therefore you can influence your four choices to click to achieve the best possible result for any given day AFTER the RNG of "what layout the numbers are".
    Math pointed out to me that in one ticket I had, the highest available was 360. I confess, in the other examples I did not know untill I saw the (cleared) ticket at the end. It does not take math to tell you whether or not a combination of 123 is available on your ticket however.

    And math does not magically make the right combinations appear. Nor can math tell you the best possible result based on the cleared numbers, as the location of each remaining number is 100% RNG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinRethiel View Post
    This is a game, it got nothing to do with life.
    No. You are using your life to spend on this game, it has something to do with your life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinRethiel View Post
    You mentioned "threads like this", it is my thread, so yes. As said: if you can't contribute anything of worth, stop it. At least those insults.
    If anything, those posts are the only real contributions here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nasibihc View Post
    Well that is a fact and another fact is that all the other rewards are basically useless except the 10k.
    Every value is useful for an achievement grinder. Or any MGP grinder worth their salt.

    If they don't get a card with 10k they can still get close to best value day to day and keep at it just like everyone else. In the end anyone playing the game properly will average out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeyis View Post
    Math pointed out to me that in one ticket I had, the highest available was 360. I confess, in the other examples I did not know untill I saw the (cleared) ticket at the end. It does not take math to tell you whether or not a combination of 123 is available on your ticket however.

    And math does not magically make the right combinations appear. Nor can math tell you the best possible result based on the cleared numbers, as the location of each remaining number is 100% RNG.
    Working out percentages is also basic math based on what you see and what you know is present but unseen compared to what the prize list figures are.

    It's not 100% RNG, the reduction of possible numbers already unlocked from the number pool reduces that to within specific ranges per line. If you know the top number and bottom number but do not know the middle one, you do know what numbers it will not be filling that space because you already unlocked some in which case use mathematics to work out the possibilities based on what numbers are left that might fill that spot. If do that you know what numbers you cannot achieve on the prize list per line and depending on how many and which unlocked you also can figure out which line has the highest chance of winning the most.

    Personally I see no reason to change the current system on the mini lottery. I would rather they fine tune the big lottery so that if pick numbers form left to right for example the draw would reveal the the winning number from left to right in order to make it simpler to understand for people new to it. The top prize per server I am also unclear on how it calculates the bonus per person taking part as there is evidence that the more who take part the lower the top prize bonus actually is compared to servers with lower number of participants. I think SE should clear that up to so people can understand why that is.

    I think they need to adjust the rewards for the mini games (not including either lottery in that), adjust the prize tiers and add actual tiers to the triad tournaments, adjust and balance the rewards for the GATES plus seriously look at the triad card selling refund get for duplicates and adjust the prize you get for duplicate cards sold. But both the small and big lottery in general I am fine with prize wise and I haven't done enough tiers of chocobo racing to form a satisfactory opinion on that yet.
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  10. #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nasibihc View Post
    Well that is a fact and another fact is that all the other rewards are basically useless except the 10k. Even the 3,600 reward is useless. ... The smaller rewards should be bigger too.
    Well, those 3600 are in addition to those 30m of TT wins. Of course, a 360 "win" = 260 is really not worth anything.

    Anyway: grinding such TT npcs as only real source beside luck is a bit of a lackluster. Especially that Chocobo Racing is eating more MGP than it gives...

    As said, it would be okay, if such RNG wins wouldn't be that big.

    One core rule of game design is, that the player should never feel unlucky. Problem is, if you have really high wins in comparison to very low ones, most player will see the low wins as bad luck and the high win as the only real win, especially if this one means x minutes or hours less of grind.
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