Mini-Lottery: Maybe a BIT more fairness?

[Aeyis]

Except that you can influence your mini cactpot winnings by knowing some basic math..

How so? My last 3 tickets had a maximum payout of about 360.

[Duuude007]

How so? My last 3 tickets had a maximum payout of about 360.

Well for the average player:

Mini Cactpot solver does the math for you.

[RobinRethiel]

Well for the average player:
Mini Cactpot solver does the math for you.[/URL]

There is no math. If your ticket got max 360 GP as prize, you CAN NOT win more. The Cactpot solver can just guess anyway, since you still got too many variables.

Of course, IF there is a 10k win possible, it will be the line with 1 2 or 3 inside and there are easy patterns, which make them easy to guess. The 3.6k win is the same with 7,8,9, same pattern.

You don't need luck or math to get the right line, you need pure luck to get a ticket with the mere possibility to win this much MGP. And this means, one get tenthousands of MGP and others not and if you can't play hours and hours per day and brainlessly grind TT, this is it. There is no other way, there is only the TT grind and sheer luck - okay, and the gates, but you can not grind them, that with the much worth is RNG again and somen even give less than a single TT win.

And that's the lackluster.

[Duuude007]

Um, have you even tried the solver?

It will give you the best choices of field to reveal and best row to choose, based on the possible sum values of the 3 fields.

That's basic math yes, but many variables since the rewards are not sequential by the result sum.

Therefore you can influence your four choices to click to achieve the best possible result for any given day AFTER the RNG of "what layout the numbers are".

[Eloah]

Except that you can influence your mini cactpot winnings by knowing some basic math..

I agree with this I won second place 4 time, twice in a row both time (2nd, 2nd, other amount, 2nd, 2nd), and just yesterday won 1st place. I use what numbers I have and try and figure out which row would yield the highest reward. I lost a few times using this method but it works most of the time.

[RobinRethiel]

I agree with this I won second place 4 time, twice in a row both time (2nd, 2nd, other amount, 2nd, 2nd), and just yesterday won 1st place. I use what numbers I have and try and figure out which row would yield the highest reward. I lost a few times using this method but it works most of the time.

The method is absolute simple, but of course you will never win the 2nd or 1st prize, if your ticket simply don't have it. Some of my guild mates and friends are lucky and won the first prize already a few times, while others never had more than a 1k winning, most times below and it's becoming worse every day.

Those who won are already feeling bad about it, because they are lucky, while the others are forced to grind for simple things. None of them care for the expensive stuff, because they are normal gamers, many with jobs, family and so on, people who like to do stuff like ex primae or coil, but for sure not dozens of hours of TT.

Its a lottery, life isn't fair, why do expect this to be any different. Your luck sucks, have some fun, and get over it please. These threads are just plain ridiculous.

Your egoistic hate is ridiculous. Get over this egoism and start to think about other players. It's a multiplayer game, coop, not PvP, so you REALLY should think that way and not only "me, me, me".

A lottery of that kind should not be part of a game like FF14 anyway, actually any kind of lottery should not exist at all, not in a game, not in RL, if you would inform yourself about the backgrounds, you would know this. They are ruining lifes every single day.

If it is all about luck, then they should just use it everywhere. Why something like coil drops or poetry marks? Just RNG this, too. Everything for free, all you need is luck.

RNG is ruining this game. It's the one thing almost every player I ask, who leaves or plans to leave FF14 mentions, that the RNG is ruining it for them. And yes, they are getting over it. By leaving this game behind and playing something else.

I don't think, that's the goal of Square, to lose players. But, well, maybe I'm wrong.

[Ooshima]

Your egoistic hate is ridiculous. Get over this egoism and start to think about other players. It's a multiplayer game, coop, not PvP, so you REALLY should think that way and not only "me, me, me".

And in actual fact, this topic was started by you, about "you, you, you". You were pretty upset that some people won the 10k reward a few times...

Maybe SE should remove both Jumbo and Mini Cactpots and everyone shall grind the Imperial until 1,000,000 MGP?

[Niwashi]

Your egoistic hate is ridiculous. Get over this egoism and start to think about other players. It's a multiplayer game, coop, not PvP, so you REALLY should think that way and not only "me, me, me".

Yet you're the only one expressing that kind of hate or selfishness. You seem to think that if you personally don't always win, not just a great return, but the very highest possible return anyone can ever get, then the whole game has been devastated. That's ridiculous.

Every single Mini-Cactpot ticket has multiple chances to win, depending on which row you pick. What's more, multiplying your chances to win by the amounts you can win and your chances to lose by the amount you would lose, these tickets are a fantastic bargain, worth far more than their cost.

A lottery of that kind should not be part of a game like FF14 anyway, actually any kind of lottery should not exist at all

If you don't like the lotteries, then don't play them. It's one of several optional features of a totally optional area that's completely unrelated to the main game. It doesn't even have any rewards beyond a few cosmetics. The only reason anyone is there playing Gold Saucer games or trying to earn MGP is if they enjoy it. You clearly don't, so why would you even care who wins some points you don't want? Is it really, as it seems, just because SE had the effrontery to add something to the game that doesn't pertain to you specifically? There are plenty of other people who like games of chance.

[RobinRethiel]

Yet you're the only one expressing that kind of hate or selfishness. You seem to think that if you personally don't always win, not just a great return, but the very highest possible return anyone can ever get, then the whole game has been devastated. That's ridiculous.

If you don't like the lotteries, then don't play them. It's one of several optional features of a totally optional area that's completely unrelated to the main game. It doesn't even have any rewards beyond a few cosmetics. The only reason anyone is there playing Gold Saucer games or trying to earn MGP is if they enjoy it. You clearly don't, so why would you even care who wins some points you don't want? Is it really, as it seems, just because SE had the effrontery to add something to the game that doesn't pertain to you specifically? There are plenty of other people who like games of chance.

If you don't read a thread, don't answer to it, okay? Especially not in such a hateful way. You obviously don't want to discuss it, so why are you here? To flame me? Or just out of egoism, because, as all those who argue like you say: It's about, that THEY got special stuff others won't get. PURE egoism. You want Gold Saucer to be the "elitits grinder" place.

What about doing Coil? T13? Or not good enough for this? Or do the fishing achievement. There you got your terrible RNG grind. This game already served you very well. Gold Sauce was presented as a place for all players. But it's not. It's RNG again, it's grind again. And many, many people hate it. They just don't post here, because they lost their "faith" in Square and don't want to get flamed by people like you. They just leave. First the Gold Saucer and - from their speaking - the game, when Square continues this. Because they can spend those monthly fees also on a real lottery ticket, if they want something like that. I try my best to keep them, I'm telling them, that Square may change this, that they wrote here and there, that they want to reduce the RNG and grind. And then another thing goes online, this time Gold Saucer and again: RNG and grind.

That's the reality. Not your private universe, where everything is fine - for you.

Yeah, I'm sure players are leaving because of the mini-cactpot.

Not because of mini-cactpot. because it is the only real source for MGP beside terrible grinding. The great mass beyond those few with sheer luck hate both, because it's - and there is no discussion about it - dumb. Grind is per definition repetitive and dumb and RNG does not need anything else than luck - so it's dumb.

And in actual fact, this topic was started by you, about "you, you, you". You were pretty upset that some people won the 10k reward a few times...

I were not and I am not. I'm actually making money as a game designer and when I see bad mechanics, which hurt a player base, I see a problem. Sure, I could say, like you: Who cares? If Squares ruining or hurting their game, that is not my problem. Let them lose players to other games, that will teach them. Maybe.

Or I care about this game, care about the players, care about the developers, about others, something you are apparently not able to. Those few Antis here - and you are few, even when you reach a dozen, you are far below 0,01% of the player base, don't bring any constructive points. It's just anti. No, everything is fine, because I, I, I got no problem with it.

But beside personal emotions, sheer math is telling, that this is not true.

You care only about yourself, not this thread, not other players, not the game or Square, who developed it. You would lose NOTHING if Square would make it less of RNG and a grind. And still the aggression in this thread about simply more fun for all players is catastrophic. As if someone would threaten you to steal your cookies...

@ Vidu
Read the thread. The problem is not the lottery, the problem is, that there is nothing to compensate it but a terrible grind. And no, gaming is not even near the disastrous effect of lottery in RL, there are WORLDS between.

Making this a general "What is bad and unfair in this game"-thread is not excatly a clever move. People will insist to tell you why a lottery which includes luck is fine - if you want to discuss the rest you may go and open up another thread to rant about all that RNG?

Ask the people who came with the "argument", that MMO MUST have grind and RNG. That was my answer to this.

As said: Read, then write.

Please - try not to see it, try to have fun with the Gold Saucer as a funpark and not as an elitist shop...

That's why I opened this thread. At the moment it is no fun park. People play it for a while, because it is new. Then they see the horrible grind and RNG mechanic and yes, of course they will probably continue do to the daily cactpot and weekly lottery, but you don't need the Gold Saucer for this, this you could do by mogry mail...

And for you again: This is not about me, it's about the system in a whole and how many players, who don't dare to write here because of all the aggression and such, got problems with it and are annoyed. People who want to play a game, not grind like working in a factory.

[Vidu]

A lottery of that kind should not be part of a game like FF14 anyway, actually any kind of lottery should not exist at all, not in a game, not in RL, if you would inform yourself about the backgrounds, you would know this. They are ruining lifes every single day.

If it is all about luck, then they should just use it everywhere. Why something like coil drops or poetry marks? Just RNG this, too. Everything for free, all you need is luck.

RNG is ruining this game. It's the one thing almost every player I ask, who leaves or plans to leave FF14 mentions, that the RNG is ruining it for them. And yes, they are getting over it. By leaving this game behind and playing something else.

I don't think, that's the goal of Square, to lose players. But, well, maybe I'm wrong.

...I kinda know its stupid to responsed to that, but what the hell

First: Sure, lotterys are ruining lifes. So does a lot of things. Videogames for example, please remove them because there are people who cant handle them. If you cant handle lotterys, please dont strip away my sort of fun, yeah? Also: with the limitation of one ticket per day, bought with a currency that is only used in the gold saucer I can hardly see who the cacpots are ruining someones life in Eorzea... Also: Now you're mentioning how bad and somehow dangerous lotterys are to do what? Asked for them to be removed completly? Wasnt it about "Give me the first price everyday!" when you started this thread?

Second: While I agree that they shouldnt use luck everywhere... this is a damn lottery - is it meant to be about luck, because thats the point of it. Ask for them to remove luck everywhere else in the game except in a lottery...

Third: I understand people who are complaining about RNG in coils, WoD, dungeons... I cant understand you though - you are complaining about a tiny, little piece of the game that was meant to be pure fun. That isnt about progression. That takes you like 5 minutes everyday (+100 MGP, which you will most likely get back - which is enough for me at last. I'm having fun solwing this little puzzle, picking a hopefully good line and checking if it was the best - had even a good laugh yesterday because nearly all my lines added up to 16 - which equals 72 MGP, but seeing that really made me giggle, maybe I'm weird?).

If this tiny little bit of a game that you enjoy otherwise is causing you so much anger and if you totally fail to see the point in it (lottery=luck) - maybe just leave it?

I'm pretty sure people might quite the game (or at least threat they will) because of bad RNG luck... but not because of bad luck in the mini-cacpot... so raising this point in a topic like this doesnt help to take you any serious...