It's time to reevaluate the idea of adding a PLEX/Chronoscroll-like system to FFXIV

[Tiggy]

I'm not making assumptions, I'm merely stating what I read in those 27 pages.

And yes, I find it really funny how one advantage is accepted while the other is not.

Until you supply evidence it's an assumption and an opinion. Others agreeing with you is simply confirmation bias. It is not proof. And since it's a suggestion you guys are pushing then burden of proof to show it works falls squarely on you.

Simply put talk is cheap. Find evidence and prove it. Otherwise you're words have about as much meaning as a drop of water in the ocean. Just another opinion in the endless pool if internet opinions.

If you think square is going to add this to the game without the kind of substantial proof like what we are looking for then you are deluded. If you can't even prove it to us why do you think Square will even listen? If you want to prove the point that your idea will work THEN ACTUALLY PROVE IT. This would be a considerable time/money investment from Square. This isn't something small and flippant or even easy, and you expect everyone to just trust you? Do you really think it's that simple? If you do that says a lot about your understanding of how software development and large companies like this operate.

[AlexionSkylark]

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Wait, what exactly do I have to prove?
My point here is really, really simple: There's nothing inherently wrong with giving people with less free time the opportunity for them to participate in content they're denied of (housing, crafting). And I'm calling out those elitists who think are entitled to their exclusivity just because they spent more time playing.

Why does that need "proving"?

[Tiggy]

Wait, what exactly do I have to prove?
My point here is really, really simple: There's nothing inherently wrong with giving people with less free time the opportunity for them to participate in content they're denied of (housing, crafting). And I'm calling out those elitists who think are entitled to their exclusivity just because they spent more time playing.

Why does that need "proving"?

Because, and there are pages of this now. People disagree with you. I know. It's tough to see that since you don't appear to read each post carefully.

Also, since it's you pushing the idea the burden of proof falls on you to justify it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philoso...urden_of_proof

The philosophical burden of proof or onus (probandi) is the obligation on a party in an epistemic dispute to provide sufficient warrant for their position.

Simply put if you aren't going to try and prove it then you've said enough. You spoke your opinion. We all heard it. If you aren't actually furthering the conversation other than restating your same opinion repeatedly with no further proof then you literally are not helping to further the conversation. You're just restating opinion over and over and over again. Without more facts or evidence to add to the discussion we you don't need to say your opinion again. Ever. We got it the first dozen times.

My point here is really, really simple: There's nothing inherently wrong with giving people with less free time the opportunity for them to participate in content they're denied of (housing, crafting). And I'm calling out those elitists who think are entitled to their exclusivity just because they spent more time playing.

This right here would be fine if that was all you were saying, but it hasn't been for this entire thread. Don't try to retcon all your posts now with some broader argument about accessibility that barely applies here. You're just putting this statement up as some strawman to be knocked down so that you can try to call people elitists for knocking it down. This thread is about a PLEX system and EVERYTHING that means for the game. Not just that jimmy-to-broke-to-play can finally log in. Focus up and focus your message.

Well he kinda have a point as with 80 selling slots you have the potential to crash sertain item prices with mass flooding, when undercutting war starts buy everything then withdraw your flood items and skyrocket prices again.

You still have to be able to supply the items to even sell. Meaning you had to farm them first. Those 80 slots didn't farm the goods which is the real money.

This might not work when doing alone but if you have a "cartel" then its alot easier.

How would that be any different than even if we only had 2 retainers? Many players working in concert would still be a problem since you'd have 40 slots for each person in the cartel, and you'd still have to farm up enough items to even fill that many slots.

I'm sorry but this hardly convinces me that retainers make people rich. They made themselves rich through their own actions Having 80 slots vs 40 didn't farm up all that loot.

[Duuude007]

And I'm calling out those elitists who think are entitled to their exclusivity just because they spent more time playing.

Wait, such a thing exists?

What can a person access who plays 'unemployed' that a full time employed parent cannot?

The answer is nothing.

More time simply means they can do the same stuff longer, and therefore can earn more of what either group can already access.

That is not 'entitlement', that is honest work for honest pay.

[Magis]

Wait, what exactly do I have to prove?
My point here is really, really simple: There's nothing inherently wrong with giving people with less free time the opportunity for them to participate in content they're denied of (housing, crafting). And I'm calling out those elitists who think are entitled to their exclusivity just because they spent more time playing.

Why does that need "proving"?

Another person acting like they are being denied stuff because you have to play a game to get the reward. Are you "denied" the ending of FFX because Seymour was too hard? No one is denied anything, everyone has the same opportunity to access content within the game rules. SE doesn't care that you have 10 jobs, 20 children, and 12 lives... they care about the limits within the game.

"Man, SE is denying me the end game dungeons cause I have to level up. Freaking elitists level 50s think they are entitled to their exclusivity just because they leveled their characters."

"Man, SE is denying me a chocobo cause I have to be level 20. Freaking elitists level 20s think they are entitled to their exclusivity just because they got to level 20."

"Man, SE is denying me access to the game cause I have to pay a subscription fee. Freaking elitists who can afford the sub that think they are entitled to content."

Your argument doesn't make sense.

[AlexionSkylark]

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Now THAT'S a really nicely constructed strawman. I'd congratulate you if it wasn't such a low blow.
And there'd be nothing wrong with someone buying up a high lvl character too, BTW. Like you can already do for some time in World of Warcraft, BTW.