It's time to reevaluate the idea of adding a PLEX/Chronoscroll-like system to FFXIV

[Ceodore]

Okay guys, I think it's pretty safe to assume that SE isn't going to this model anytime soon. Let's stick to bouncing around ideas about how best to implement such a model so the game can live and thrive through it. I know I have quite rigorously stated in previous posts how a system like this when unchecked and out of control can damage a game significantly. That's well established beyond question at this point. Let's see people bounce more ideas around about how a system like this can be regulated and controlled to a degree enough that it's not the end of a game.

[Duuude007]

Okay guys, I think it's pretty safe to assume that SE isn't going to this model anytime soon. Let's stick to bouncing around ideas about how best to implement such a model so the game can live and thrive through it. I know I have quite rigorously stated in previous posts how a system like this when unchecked and out of control can damage a game significantly. That's well established beyond question at this point. Let's see people bounce more ideas around about how a system like this can be regulated and controlled to a degree enough that it's not the end of a game.

But any checks would undermine their ability to exploit other players. If they can't cheat the way they want to, why cheat at all.

(I know, I know... Why does a dog lick himself? "because he can")

[Lamentations]

Okay guys, I think it's pretty safe to assume that SE isn't going to this model anytime soon. Let's stick to bouncing around ideas about how best to implement such a model so the game can live and thrive through it. I know I have quite rigorously stated in previous posts how a system like this when unchecked and out of control can damage a game significantly. That's well established beyond question at this point. Let's see people bounce more ideas around about how a system like this can be regulated and controlled to a degree enough that it's not the end of a game.

3993 does have one (one) uncontestable point Ceodore, Yoshi-P doesn't have the last say in financial matters concerning Xiv, anyone who believes this is just fooling themselves.

The continued financial success of the monthly sub model with Xiv will tell the tale, regardless I do not believe SE will ever do this based on their past history as well as the sentiments of "Xivs" player pop.

They do however have a WWII MMO out that to my knowledge more closely reflects the current popular financial model direction, although I haven't looked at that games progress in some time. I believe this game was in development already by one of the companies that SE absorbed in recent times.

SE "is" getting to be an "island" amongs't publishers with this stance, and as I mentioned before their is precedent as well as "mounting pressure" from the new conditioned gamer crowd for games to travel in the direction the OP suggests, so he doesn't consider this some sort of larceny Dramul who has a longstanding gamers grasp on this has mentioned it in other threads.

The fact that the OP has gotten 34 likes is somewhat "telling" to me about how this P2W conditioning has permeated the online gaming market these days, although Magis subsequent 49 likes heartened me somewhat.

Years ago I cast a jaundiced eye when cash shops first popped on the scene, they screamed ripoff to me and still do, vanity only be damned.

My eyebrows did go up when the cash shop was first announced, but I held a wait and see attitude about it, so far in my opinion it's nothing to worry about.

Other games I have played have "promised" to never move beyond "vanity" cash shops, or to run systems like this crappy plex deal.

To date they "all" have a perfect 100% record, they "all" lied, as I said the ones "I have played".

In one of those games the lead developer was shown the front door for promising players certain things the company that subsequently bought the IP didn't want to hold themselves to, he didn't have the last say either.

In the end it's always about the bottom line and if the profits start to fade promises and/or longstanding policies often fade with them.

While I don't see SE being bought out anytime soon, all we can do is wait and see.

[nuyu11]

Oh what a nice thread, munching Popcorn.

I love seeing people desperately trying to persuade their surrounding.
Either you fail as a Gil farmer or real money earner.

[Lamentations]

People who make noise for these types of systems generally fit into 3 categories;

1) someone else does it so why isn't it done here?,

2) people with deep bank accounts who feel cheated somehow that they cant use their money to easily bypass timesinks etc. in a game as well as be "Leet" over the peasants, and

3) the English (or whatever fits) is my first language savvy hacker/gilseller who is trying to pitch an advantage for their business.

The first is obvious, SE has a longstanding policy of staying away from such systems, the second is simple immaturity, laziness, and self centered supposed superiority, and the third simply speaks for itself.

What is so disturbing is that unlike SE many game companies have for years been "conditioning" with P2W freemium style bullshit a large percentage of the new gamer population to just "expect" to be able to "buy" their way to the top of their games.

These game publishers laugh all the way to the bank, to me it begs the question why these "gamers" game at all.

They just "sell" themselves.

[TouchandFeel]

@ Lamentations

I think you forgot the one that seems to come across the strongest to me.

4) People who want to be able to get something for nothing, i.e. "I don't want to have to pay for the game I'm playing."

Ex:

I for one would like a way to earn/purchase gametime without having to actually use real money.

[Lamentations]

@ Lamentations

I think you forgot the one that seems to come across the strongest to me.

4) People who want to be able to get something for nothing, i.e. "I don't want to have to pay for the game I'm playing."

Ex:

Nah, but I see where your going, I just think category 2) covers him as well.

I don't believe he wants something for nothing, I believe he wants a F2P financial model where he can buy his way to the top of the game with cash, he wants advantage.

I have seen/heard people complain about $13.00 per month sub fees who will then spend 10x that amount every 3-4 months on every shiny/advantage in the next cash shop update, it's ludicrous.

They either suck at math which I don't buy because everyone has a calculator on their I-phone or whatever their packing around today, or its just lies, I lean toward the latter.

They then call you noob, scrub or whatever because you don't have the capital to do so, or call you conceited because your just not stupid enough to buy all that shit, while most likely sucking far harder at the game than you do because you had to get there the hard way, again ludicrous.

As I said before, a lot of gamers simply approach gaming with this philosophy now, and they are most likely not a minority anymore.

I personally don't consider them "gamers", they just create more lag.

[Laerad3993]

Nah, but I see where your going, I just think category 2) covers him as well.

I don't believe he wants something for nothing, I believe he wants a F2P financial model where he can buy his way to the top of the game with cash, he wants advantage.


As I said before, a lot of gamers simply approach gaming with this philosophy now, and they are most likely not a minority anymore.

I personally don't consider them "gamers", they just create more lag.

Going to have to ask you to quit making things up about me and quit with the insinuations.


My reasons were clearly stated why I wanted PLEX. I have a lot of Gil and since it's easy to accumulate, I'd much rather spend that than actual cash. Pretty sure what you're doing bridges on Slandering another player, which is against forum rules, yes? Do you along with the others have some sort of reading comprehension issues? Just skimming and seeing what you want to make your arguments? Quit making things up and trying to hint to others that I'd use it only for my own financial gain in game.


Talk about being an ass. Maybe people call you a noob and make fun of you in game for this kind of reason, making baseless claims about them. I've never once called a player in this game a noob, or made fun of them for the way they choose to play. I don't have anything past T5 done in terms of actual raiding, but have everything else including all EX primal done, and I'm sure that qualifies me as a noob to most players here.


I did nothing wrong or mean to warrant you blasting my character in game by defending a way to play without using real money, and my opinion matters just as much as everyone else's in terms of the topic, PLEX. Why not think before you post again, and quit assuming things and making blanket statements about people.

[Lamentations]

Going to have to ask you to quit making things up about me and quit with the insinuations.


My reasons were clearly stated why I wanted PLEX. I have a lot of Gil and since it's easy to accumulate, I'd much rather spend that than actual cash. Pretty sure what you're doing bridges on Slandering another player, which is against forum rules, yes? Do you along with the others have some sort of reading comprehension issues? Just skimming and seeing what you want to make your arguments? Quit making things up and trying to hint to others that I'd use it only for my own financial gain in game.


Talk about being an ass.

Pretty sure your a tad touchy, I never mentioned "you", go back, read it carefully, I don't see your "name" in that post anywhere, if you think he refers to you, well I guess that's how you see it.

Sorry "baseless" claim, I never mentioned you by name, you did, try again.

[Laerad3993]

Pretty sure your a tad touchy, I never mentioned "you", go back, read it carefully, I don't see your "name" in that post anywhere, if you think he refers to you, well I guess that's how you see it.

Sorry "baseless" claim, I never mentioned you by name, you did, try again.

@ Lamentations

I think you forgot the one that seems to come across the strongest to me.

4) People who want to be able to get something for nothing, i.e. "I don't want to have to pay for the game I'm playing."

Ex:He specifically used MY quote here.

Then you follow up with....

Nah, but I see where your going, I just think category 2) covers him as well.

I don't believe he wants something for nothing, I believe he wants a F2P financial model where he can buy his way to the top of the game with cash, he wants advantage.

If you're so sure that I am being a "tad" touchy, why didn't you just say people, instead of he/him? Why don't you go back and read it carefully. You don't have to use my name, and he did refer to me, he quoted ME, quit trying to be sly. You may have chosen to not include my name and quote, but it's more than obvious what you were doing, you can try and skirt that as much as you want. Don't do it again.