It's time to reevaluate the idea of adding a PLEX/Chronoscroll-like system to FFXIV

[Duuude007]

Do you want those bastards to continue making money like they have over the last decades?

Would you want SE to dishonor their status as a successful MMO producer by supporting the same money making scheme they are? Really? I sure as hell wouldn't. This is their flagship game, the key reason their company was able to be profitable the past couple years. And your suggestion is for them to betray our trust by doing exactly what they are combating others from doing... right. Genius.

Principles are great and all, but results are what matter.

"If you can't beat 'em, join 'em" isn't merely the abandonment of principle, it is symbolic of a company caring more about the bottom line than their customers. Yoshida has time and time again inferred that he would rather the game be shuttered than betray our trust to the level of 1.0 (or worse) once again.

And you speak of results. Sure, the development team is working on a more effective means to prevent the spamming of ads through tells, and when that is managed, a great deal of their potential business will have been mitigated. But that isn't all that they are doing. By far.



I would rather them fight the good fight than pull a Benedict Arnold. I am certain I am not alone in this.

[Bishop81]

"If you can't beat 'em, join 'em" isn't merely the abandonment of principle, it is symbolic of a company caring more about the bottom line than their customers.

No, it's called being pragmatic.

The fact that it will hurt RMT is even more awesome.

Feel free to be principled in your fantasyland, we here in the real world want solutions. PLEX is the lesser of 2 evils. The less money in the hands of those bastard RMTs, the better.

[Duuude007]

The fact that it will hurt RMT is even more awesome.

You keep claiming this as fact. Most of what I seen here has been anecdotal at best. Being applied to a completely different game design using entirely different scenarios, at worst.

If you have something 'factual' to challenge us with, perhaps some citations to back up the 'stories' your... 'majority' is trying to sell us.

[Bishop81]

You keep claiming this as fact. Most of what I seen here has been anecdotal at best. Being applied to a completely different game design using entirely different scenarios, at worst.

If you have something 'factual' to challenge us with, perhaps some citations to back up the 'stories' your... 'majority' is trying to sell us.

Elementary my dear ... Duuude007.

A PLEX type system basically allows anyone to be a gil seller. When you buy a game-time token and pay for it in gil, you are effectively selling gil. The more sellers of gil there are, the lower the price of gil. RMT earns less.

Right now RMT has a monopoly on RL money to gil conversion. With a PLEX system, their monopoly will be broken.

Anything that will screw over those RMT spamming bastards is a positive in my book.

[Duuude007]

Elementary my dear ... Duuude007.

<more anecdotal evidence>

Uh, huh.

So, where is the 'fact' you speak of, again?

[Bishop81]

Uh, huh.

So, where is the 'fact' you speak of, again?

You don't understand what "anecdotal evidence" means do you.

What I have written isn't "evidence". It's an argument.

LOL. I see I have been wasting my time. No point, conversing with someone who can't even tell the difference between evidence and an argument.

[Duuude007]

What I have written isn't "evidence".

This has been my point all along.

[KayoZ]

Elementary my dear ... Duuude007.

A PLEX type system basically allows anyone to be a gil seller. When you buy a game-time token and pay for it in gil, you are effectively selling gil. The more sellers of gil there are, the lower the price of gil. RMT earns less.

Right now RMT has a monopoly on RL money to gil conversion. With a PLEX system, their monopoly will be broken.

Anything that will screw over those RMT spamming bastards is a positive in my book.

For the 100th time, it doesnt hurt them at all. They will still spam, they will still bot, still hack and steal gil, and still make plenty of profits. In fact this may even help them out even more. Sure, some people will buy from SE now to lower the risk, but SE will never be able to compete. There is a limit on how much gil players are willing to buy game time with, and SE cannot sell this "token" for any less than the price of a sub (well, the can but there is no point). All this does is legalize it and get even more players buying gold on both ends. Maybe even get the illegal RMT to double there efforts to entice players with even more annoying ads, get players to buy more from them with lower prices.

No game that has tried this has stopped them or even helped the situation at all. Not Eve, not Wildstar, none! All it does is fill both pockets with more money, make players more dependent on buying gold to make their gil instead of increasing supply through crafting or actual gameplay. As much as I expect todays "gamers" to be perfectly ok to throwing money at a game to actually play less of it... just admit that and be done with it. Claiming that this is a good thing thatll stick it to those mean gold sellers that have been hacking and annoying us for years now, is dishonest and proven false.

[Tiggy]

You don't understand what "anecdotal evidence" means do you.

What I have written isn't "evidence". It's an argument.

Well you DID quote this..

You keep claiming this as fact. Most of what I seen here has been anecdotal at best. Being applied to a completely different game design using entirely different scenarios, at worst.

If you have something 'factual' to challenge us with, perhaps some citations to back up the 'stories' your... 'majority' is trying to sell us.

So it seems pretty obvious you were trying to offer non anecdotal evidence since he was specifically asking for some evidence that wasn't anecdotal. Then you feel free to asnwer with what you then defend as an "arguement"? Why even respond if you aren't going to give him the info he was asking for? Are you surprised he pointed out it was still anecdotal? It's like you didn't even read what he said at all, and specifically that you don't seem to understand what Anecdotal Evidence means. Have a read. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

The expression anecdotal evidence refers to evidence from anecdotes. Because of the small sample, there is a larger chance that it may be unreliable due to cherry-picked or otherwise non-representative samples of typical cases.[1][2] Anecdotal evidence is considered dubious support of a generalized claim; it is, however, perfectly acceptable for claims regarding a particular instance

It describes much of the support for a Plex system in this thread rather well. By definition this thread is riddled with anecdotal evidence. I've made attempts to ask for evidence and supporting data but they have been consistently ignored in favor of spouting further anecdotal evidence.

What I have written isn't "evidence".

This was literally the point he was making. GG. Too many people in this thread arguing opinions. Not enough evidence. I don't care about your opinion. I care about where this has worked before, how well, and why you think it would work better or as well here. I could literally care less about your opinion. Facts are all I want to work in. Actual tangible examples of real life data. However, that seems difficult for people in this thread to produce because as far as I can tell it doesn't exist.

[Aldora]

No, it's called being pragmatic.

The fact that it will hurt RMT is even more awesome.

Feel free to be principled in your fantasyland, we here in the real world want solutions. PLEX is the lesser of 2 evils. The less money in the hands of those bastard RMTs, the better.

But it’s still “Evil” nonetheless. If you want to battle RMT, you will not be doing so by “legalizing” it. It’s because of people that are buying gil that the whole RMT business exists in the first place.

By adding a “PLEX”-system, you are basically “giving up” the fight and “joining them”. At that point the RMT business has won the battle.