The problem with Summoners

[Alex_Lenderson]

I think it would be neat if summoner's got some more utility with their pets. It is funny how a lot of BRDs complain about having to play songs since they just want to shoot things, seems like utility/flavor missed the mark there. On a summoner though? That would be awesome. Pie in the sky thought here but imagine getting a Phoenix summon in the future that cast Life 3 on someone (when they die they get insta-rezzed).

[Xiaoyu]

Some ideas I have for summoners:

- remove the MP cost on the first summon every 120 seconds, making it free summon once every 2 minutes
- whenever free summon is used, the egi will automatically enkindle on spawn
- pets share separate CDs for their skills
- swap tri-disaster and contagion around; give people a reason to use other egis over garuda
- increase ifrit+titan movespeed or have rouse make pets immune to knockback
- rework ifrit's radiant shield from vengeance without the damage mitigation to a pbaoe damage aura; atm it's useless since ifrit won't be taking any hits
- rework target priority when using bane, sometimes it spreads out to targets which have dots already on them

Some of these are ridiculous and borderline overpowered, but I believe these changes would help bring them in line with blm in terms of DPS & improved pet involvement. I have more ideas in mind, but SE's made it pretty clear we won't be seeing any drastic summoner changes until Heavensward.

[Vlady]

Honestly I would love to see summoners tweaked to resemble final fantasy more then wow warlocks.

It is time se returns to being a trend setter and leader in innovation then copy/paste half of wow's classes.

[Wintersandman]

I love summoner and don't feel it is broken at all. All these threads are trying to compare apples to apples and making an orange an apple. It just doesn't work.

[Hiruke]

I love summoner and don't feel it is broken at all. All these threads are trying to compare apples to apples and making an orange an apple. It just doesn't work.

Whether it needs any adjustments and whether it should be completely redesigned are two completely different things. A lot of the reason why you keep seeing these threads in such quantities is that it DOES need adjustments. It doesn't NEED a complete redesign, but people take the opportunity to suggest such, because the job as it stands now is not what they want. But that doesn't mean there's nothing wrong with the job.

[Slappah]

Honestly I would love to see summoners tweaked to resemble final fantasy more then wow warlocks.

It is time se returns to being a trend setter and leader in innovation then copy/paste half of wow's classes.

I replied to you in another thread but again

As someone who mained a lock and was very hardcore about it, raiding hardcore and doing high ranked RBGs and 3s and 5s/2s for Lols

Smn plays literally NOTHING like wows lock, besides the fact that you have dots you keep up, and have a pet.

In that regard, it's only vaguely similar to affliction. And absolutely nothing like destro and especially not demo.


Honestly this is the silliest thing I've ever heard. I repeat, the ONLY similarity between smn and warlock is that they have dots and a pet.

[Bigcat9715]

I think it would be neat if summoner's got some more utility with their pets. It is funny how a lot of BRDs complain about having to play songs since they just want to shoot things, seems like utility/flavor missed the mark there. On a summoner though? That would be awesome. Pie in the sky thought here but imagine getting a Phoenix summon in the future that cast Life 3 on someone (when they die they get insta-rezzed).

Having you pet be able to raise would be awesome. maybe give the action a 5 min CD, but that seems more of a third Sch pet rather then a Smn pet. How about make it where Levi does the Selena buff thing, but instead it regens Mp or Tp.

[Bigcat9715]

- pets share separate CDs for their skills

Because of Enkindle all of the pets skills are connected. I'm pretty sure that at first they were separate, but it was OP because you could just Enkindle with Ifrit then switch to Garuda then Enkindle again. Plus fun fact: Enkindle is actually a Command action like Sic or Obey, so the actually attack is scaling off your pet not the Summoner.

[Lilyarel]

Because of Enkindle all of the pets skills are connected. I'm pretty sure that at first they were separate, but it was OP because you could just Enkindle with Ifrit then switch to Garuda then Enkindle again. Plus fun fact: Enkindle is actually a Command action like Sic or Obey, so the actually attack is scaling off your pet not the Summoner.

All pets share CDs. For example, if you use contagion then instantly switch to Ifrit, his AOE will be on a ridiculously long CD, even longer than the Contagion CD.

[Bigcat9715]

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I'm aware of that, and like I said I believe its do to that fact that Enkindle exist. Maybe they should have gave us something better then Enkindle. Something that could make us focus our whole rotation around it, but nope we got a beautiful piece of crap that has a decent amount of damage, but has a 5min cooldown known as Enkindle. I remember when people first started to complain about Enkindle, and there was people trying to defend the Dev decision to have Enkindle CD to be 5 mins long. Their argument was that it make sense lore wise that the Summoner is putting all of himself into the aether to get his Egi to release his full power, so he had to wait 5mins before he's ready again or something. If thats true then Black mage is sacrificing himself to fire every time he uses Flare, and he needs to wait a good 5 mins before he can cast Flare again or he'll die.