The problem with Summoners

[Slappah]

Honestly I would love to see summoners tweaked to resemble final fantasy more then wow warlocks.

It is time se returns to being a trend setter and leader in innovation then copy/paste half of wow's classes.

I replied to you in another thread but again

As someone who mained a lock and was very hardcore about it, raiding hardcore and doing high ranked RBGs and 3s and 5s/2s for Lols

Smn plays literally NOTHING like wows lock, besides the fact that you have dots you keep up, and have a pet.

In that regard, it's only vaguely similar to affliction. And absolutely nothing like destro and especially not demo.


Honestly this is the silliest thing I've ever heard. I repeat, the ONLY similarity between smn and warlock is that they have dots and a pet.

[Bigcat9715]

- pets share separate CDs for their skills

Because of Enkindle all of the pets skills are connected. I'm pretty sure that at first they were separate, but it was OP because you could just Enkindle with Ifrit then switch to Garuda then Enkindle again. Plus fun fact: Enkindle is actually a Command action like Sic or Obey, so the actually attack is scaling off your pet not the Summoner.

[Lilyarel]

Because of Enkindle all of the pets skills are connected. I'm pretty sure that at first they were separate, but it was OP because you could just Enkindle with Ifrit then switch to Garuda then Enkindle again. Plus fun fact: Enkindle is actually a Command action like Sic or Obey, so the actually attack is scaling off your pet not the Summoner.

All pets share CDs. For example, if you use contagion then instantly switch to Ifrit, his AOE will be on a ridiculously long CD, even longer than the Contagion CD.

[Bigcat9715]

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I'm aware of that, and like I said I believe its do to that fact that Enkindle exist. Maybe they should have gave us something better then Enkindle. Something that could make us focus our whole rotation around it, but nope we got a beautiful piece of crap that has a decent amount of damage, but has a 5min cooldown known as Enkindle. I remember when people first started to complain about Enkindle, and there was people trying to defend the Dev decision to have Enkindle CD to be 5 mins long. Their argument was that it make sense lore wise that the Summoner is putting all of himself into the aether to get his Egi to release his full power, so he had to wait 5mins before he's ready again or something. If thats true then Black mage is sacrificing himself to fire every time he uses Flare, and he needs to wait a good 5 mins before he can cast Flare again or he'll die.

[Wintersandman]

I love summoner and don't feel it is broken at all. All these threads are trying to compare apples to apples and making an orange an apple. It just doesn't work.

[Hiruke]

I love summoner and don't feel it is broken at all. All these threads are trying to compare apples to apples and making an orange an apple. It just doesn't work.

Whether it needs any adjustments and whether it should be completely redesigned are two completely different things. A lot of the reason why you keep seeing these threads in such quantities is that it DOES need adjustments. It doesn't NEED a complete redesign, but people take the opportunity to suggest such, because the job as it stands now is not what they want. But that doesn't mean there's nothing wrong with the job.

[Sunako]

Some ideas I have for Ifrit

- stun should be like gap closer like how shoulder tackle works
- Increase aoe attack range and probably some damage
- radiant shield should have more utility, let us use it on tank or replace it for something else

[Sen_Terrechant]

Some ideas I have for Ifrit

- stun should be like gap closer like how shoulder tackle works
- Increase aoe attack range and probably some damage
- radiant shield should have more utility, let us use it on tank or replace it for something else

Heres the thing, Ifrit is already better in any fight that dosent have frequent boss movement/target switching.

With the Ruin changes we really dont starve for mana like we used to. If we give him these buffs, its the same problem with one summon being better then the other (and this would make him MUCH better. The Radiant Shield change alone would add a ton of damage)

[ShaolinMike]

Heres the thing, Ifrit is already better in any fight that dosent have frequent boss movement/target switching.

With the Ruin changes we really dont starve for mana like we used to. If we give him these buffs, its the same problem with one summon being better then the other (and this would make him MUCH better. The Radiant Shield change alone would add a ton of damage)

I'm inclined to agree with this. I don't think anything needs to be adjusted in terms of one particular summon. Any changes need to be made to the job as a whole, not just a particular pet.

[Bigcat9715]

Heres the thing, Ifrit is already better in any fight that dosent have frequent boss movement/target switching.

With the Ruin changes we really dont starve for mana like we used to. If we give him these buffs, its the same problem with one summon being better then the other (and this would make him MUCH better. The Radiant Shield change alone would add a ton of damage)

The Radiant shield buff would be nice, but its not necessary. If anything Ifrit's Flaming crush is still in dire need of a hotfix, the ability needs its radius widen. As it stand Flaming crush can only hit one or two enemies at a time, because the radius is right under Ifrit and expands about where his target circle is.