Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[Aiurily]

It sounds like you're asking whether the Zeta has to be full crit/det for BiS or if it should have slightly different secondary stats (like perhaps a little accuracy to balance out the gear set). If that's what you mean, then basically, Ariyala's isn't sophisticated enough to say. Even if Ariyala's could figure this out, it might lead to awkward conclusions, like, "meld full crit/det for 505 accuracy BiS, but meld 12 points of accuracy onto your Zeta for 535 accuracy BiS." For the sake of simplicity and sanity, it's safe to assume that your Zeta should just have maximum det/crit.

set solver to solve for x accuracy where x is any number below 535, and probably lock in flint caviar so the solver doesn't go full retard. lock in aug chest/pants for faster solve speeds, since i don't think there's a single situation at 535 acc where they aren't bis. at 533 it spits out a different set, but it's worse than the current i130 bis in weights by around 0.8 str.(the one with 370 sksp). stats in comparison are (-45 crit -14 sksp, +39 det) . i like it better still, though. it's 356 sksp vs 370 sksp, so if you personally value skillspeed lower, or aren't as comfortable with playing at a higher skillspeed, having 2 acc zeta might be marginally better for you. you also still have the option of going for 9th skill bfb by statting +9 sksp to get the bare minimum of 365, saving you 5 excess sksp over current i130 bis (for me anyway).

if coil gear was tradeable and i got a spear, i'd trade it for a choker in an instant, even before i got my zeta. 12+ weeks and counting

[Docfiord_Fowling]

Can anyone explain why the general conscensus is that the Flint Caviar build here : http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/PTTV is considered the new BiS with the Zeta weapon as opposed to the Black Truffle build here?: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/PTYA

The difference between the two builds is 57 CRIT vs 52 DET with only 5 unessecary accuracy on the DET build. Are people counting the VIT from the Flint Caviar as weighting the build to higher DPS? Black Truffle build puts you at over 7k HP which is more than enough for T13...

[ChaozK]

I wonder if it would be a dps loss to use the upgraded ironwork helmet over an hq wootz helmet melded with 18 det 25 crit 9 speed and 24 acc (needed acc at the time, dont anymore).
It should be but ariyala is telling me to use the ironwok so i figured i should ask.

[Dervy]

234*0.227 = 53.118
157*0.327 = 51.339
29*0.176 = 5.104
= 109.561

177*0.227 = 40.179
209*0.327 = 68.343
= 108.522

I wonder if it would be a dps loss to use the upgraded ironwork helmet over an hq wootz helmet melded with 18 det 25 crit 9 speed and 24 acc (needed acc at the time, dont anymore).
It should be but ariyala is telling me to use the ironwok so i figured i should ask.

Those are the worst possible melds you could do for that Helmet. Remove 1 Accuracy for SkillSpeed IV and it'll be good to go. The only time you'll ever want to use different melds the Wootz Helmet HQ is if you're tinkering around with Earrings.

[ChaozK]

Those are the worst possible melds you could do for that Helmet. Remove 1 Accuracy for SkillSpeed IV and it'll be good to go. The only time you'll ever want to use different melds the Wootz Helmet HQ is if you're tinkering around with Earrings.

I know that it would be best to meld a skill speed iv instead of the accuracy III for the last meld but i wanted to know if in its current form it was better to use an upgraded ironwork over the wootz helmet, since i am not planing to remeld.

[SunnyHirose]

Can anyone explain why the general conscensus is that the Flint Caviar build here : http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/PTTV is considered the new BiS with the Zeta weapon as opposed to the Black Truffle build here?: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/PTYA

Because it's estimated to do 1.24 more DPS. (I suppose I could spare a Carbontwine for the visor and test the accuracy of that estimate....)

The reason Flint Caviar is blowing out the BiS lists is pretty much because of the sheer amount of accuracy and crit it provides. It's got nothing to do with the VIT.

[Docfiord_Fowling]

Because it's estimated to do 1.24 more DPS. (I suppose I could spare a Carbontwine for the visor and test the accuracy of that estimate....)

The reason Flint Caviar is blowing out the BiS lists is pretty much because of the sheer amount of accuracy and crit it provides. It's got nothing to do with the VIT.

Got a link to the data? Seems like a bit of a stretch

[Dervy]

I literally just posted it, two posts above Sunnys post.

Stat-weights my friend.

[Docfiord_Fowling]

I literally just posted it, two posts above Sunnys post.

Stat-weights my friend.

Yep, those are the weights. I'm looking for data showing that 57 CRIT does 1.2 more DPS than 52 DET.

Following your stat weights, players should go with DET:

DET : 52 x 0.327 = 17.004
vs
CRIT : 57 x 0.227 = 12.939

[Dervy]

12.939 + 5.104 = 18.043

You forgot Skillspeed in the first set.

Of course DET point for point is better than Critical Hit Rating, that's a given. But you can't simply say "hey! DET has a higher weight so we're using DET!" You need to account for all the stats in any given set.

The reason why I tell people to go for the 411 DET set is because there's little to no RNG and removes latency issues for a majority of players.