Triple Triad Card descriptions

[Nalien]

Unless the Lord of Snakes was The Lord of Snakes, a primal, and by feasting on his body, she consumed something aetherial...

DUN DUN DUNNNNNN....

</em fashions a naga-shaped darkteelfoil hat and makes serpentine hand-puppets at Nalien>

Thinking about it... Yeah...

How did Garuda respond to Gaius? She had Ifrit and Titan summoned so she could feast upon their aether...

How did Ultima Weapon actually "capture" Garuda? By biting her head off... OK not the case for Ifrit and Titan, but both were pulled in front of the weapons "head", mayhaps it sucked up their dissipating aether?

Now I just need Free Company Summoning to be introduced and explained by Quina Quen, or any Qu relation, and I'm certain of it...

They really do drive home the whole "feasting" theme with Garuda though, makes me think there really is some truth to the mythos... If she gained the power of the Vortex by consuming the Lord of Snakes that could explain how he kept life land-bound (he used the power to prevent flight), though if he was a Primal he shouldn't have left a corpse behind to be feasted upon... Unless he was used by the Allag in a similar fashion to Bahamut... Preventing flight by manipulating the wind would be a useful when waging a war with dragons...

[treuhavik]

To explain a bit for others; with 'The Elemental Theory' we could've either had the pre-duality knowledge from the element itself or the collective knowledge of the aether. However, with Ramuh assumed to be the only one with said knowledge it makes things...difficult.

Lemme know where you get with that! lol

Every primal that we've seen created used a host, so a physical body containing aether (aka living [Yes, I would argue that crystals and Zantetsuken are alive]) is needed. From what we've seen of Shiva and what we know of the Ascian's plan, the Echo may be necessary to 'convert' a person into a primal (whether or not Louisoux had the echo remains to be seen and could even be irrelevant due to his knowledge and Tupsimati's power).

Now, if Ramuh gained his knowledge first-hand and didn't commune with Hydaelyn or something of the sort, that means he pre-dates man. One could argue that he's an Elder Primal based on this, but we know that "Elder" is reserved for Primals that have been worshiped for-nearly-ever, not merely existing.

What humanoid beings (because Ramuh is humanoid) could have existed before light and dark were "given form"? Well, what were the Ascians (the two from our world at least) before they transcended death? Don't they too remember that "no such duality" once existed?

I got nothin'! I'm throwing my hands up...and I'm walking away. ...for now at least.

[Lego3400]

(whether or not Louisoux had the echo remains to be seen and could even be irrelevant due to his knowledge and Tupsimati's power)

He didn't. If he did he wouldn't have been tempered by Bahumut. That's why we're immune to tempering and why Shiva was still Iceheart mentally. Not the blessing of light, which we lose, but the Echo.

[treuhavik]

He didn't. If he did he wouldn't have been tempered by Bahumut.

Ah, a detail overlooked. Thank you. I'll also correct myself in that he did not posses Tupsimati when transforming into Pheonix.

[Magis]

Before this patch I was 101% sold on the idea that the primals were once people, beastmen included (or in Fenrir's case, beast) -living or dead- and had been infused with the land's essence, BUT did Ramuh not say that he remembered the time of "balance"? This period of time was before man though, was it not? I'm taking this "balance" as either the incorporeal realm melded with the corporeal or the primordial planet.

Something along the lines of the Titans in Greek mythology?

[Edellis]

- Garuda's text suggests her powers are what causes Garuda to be such a brutal primal rather than it just being part of her nature. Wording seems a bit weird to me.

I don't think it means her powers literally twisted her mind. I think it's suggesting that her strength is what gives her the ability to be the tyrant she is.

[treuhavik]

Something along the lines of the Titans in Greek mythology?

Moose and I were discussing a Greek parallel a while back. Though, it had more to do with explaining The Twelve than primals.

For XIV, I'd say it would be something like; From nothing emerged Hydaelyn (Light/Earth) and, from her crystalline form, fashioned herself a partner, Zodiark (Darkness/Void). Together, Hydaelyn and Zodiark birthed twelve children to wield the six elements and rule each of the couple's creations. Something something something, Zodiark said "No!". Something something, Hydaelyn did it anyway, cue bitter rivalry between light and dark.

[Belhi]

I don't think it means her powers literally twisted her mind. I think it's suggesting that her strength is what gives her the ability to be the tyrant she is.

The writing seems to suggest it is the powers though:

'The winds she wields, however, have twisted her heart and broken her mind'

[myahele]

Interesting, now we have 3 instances of Garuda not always being twisted in the past.
1st: the myth that eating the flesh of the Lord of Snakes made her crazy
2nd: The lyrics of Garuda's theme is "Falling too far from the light.Deeper into the night. Lost here inside my own hell I am a broken angel"
3rd: Her TT description

I almost feel sorry for her; maybe a part of her "nicer" self is still inside her, but her eating the Snake Lord poisened her mind. She *does* have a penchant for consuming other's aether

[DoctaruRavenbe]

Interesting, now we have 3 instances of Garuda not always being twisted in the past.
1st: the myth that eating the flesh of the Lord of Snakes made her crazy
2nd: The lyrics of Garuda's theme is "Falling too far from the light.Deeper into the night. Lost here inside my own hell I am a broken angel"
3rd: Her TT description

I almost feel sorry for her; maybe a part of her "nicer" self is still inside her, but her eating the Snake Lord poisened her mind. She *does* have a penchant for consuming other's aether

well also consider she is the only primal to produce to named facets of her self in her fight. Titan in extreme and Ramuh do have lesser facets appear but they are merely titled roles (Gaolers and Arbiters).