The relic weapon quest is OBSCENELY boring...

[Deathscythe343]

What amuses me most is that Yoshi said something along the lines of "If it isn't fun, you shouldn't do it." I loved the original Relic quest chain. It wasn't RNG from drops, but was more skill. Once you learned the fights, maybe got a little gear, you could complete it, every time. I wish they'd have made the rest of them similar; require the new primals, different modes of primals, add some new bosses that aren't primals but required for relics (ala Hydra and Chimera).

As a player who just came back to the game after a long break, the current trend of "content" is a bit disheartening. I have no desire to work on my relics past Zenith, not even because there is other stuff available, but because all I see before me is a boring grind.

Ya, I wish the upgrade process had been much like the original. Especially given that one could spend months of working on the upgrade and the finished product is barely better than the previous version.

[Craiger]

Warln, we're getting off topic here but... My opinions of weathered weapons: Are for lazy players, who are too lazy to do the relic quest. "Remember these are my opinions!" Shiva weapons: Again takes little skill to get carried by FC of Raid group to get Shiva weapons ( I know, I've played with some FCOB Item 130 Shiva weapon users, who can't beat Shiva Ex in DF, lol) Ironworks weapons: try hard weapons for try hard players ( players that use these in FCOB get a pass here) The Relics wil end up at item level 130-135 so Ironworks users can kiss it!!

ps: I have 3 Zodiac weapons (soon to be 4 then 5) at item level 125 my Sol and Shiva weapons are being used my retainers....LOL

Like you said, it's off-topic... but I just wanted to add that I understand what you mean about there being no in-between.

They are planning to make some changes to that at least, with the Alexander normal and hard mode... The normal mode is like Coil with echo, and to me that's content that fits right in-between harder and easier content. The hard mode is going to be harder than current coil, which is gonna make some players more happy too.

We have no idea how the rest will be like though... they haven't mentioned if there is going to be a new "Crystal tower", but I doubt the normal mode Alexander is replacing it...

[QiLymePye]

Your lack of memory isn't the point.

The story is very lackluster. Yes if you want to be super technical...there is a little story. A lot apparently if you use your imagination. But a majority of people believe and know that after you get past the first stage of relic, story drops. It does become a fetch quest. And a boring one at that. They could take the relic "quest" out of the game and it wouldn't affect the story at all. Then on top of that, there is zero motivation to do relic. There isn't even motivation to start it. IMO, primal weapons look cooler, most are stronger, and then its exciting to try to get those weapons compared to the "relic quest". That's the point. Its not worth it. Not worth the effort, the boredom. Lets take another stance, what if SE said that in order to get into future raid content, you had to complete relic style quest(farming atmas, atma books, melding, etc) and just when you finally get in, new primal boss drops weapons and gear better than raid content. How would you feel? Would you still do it? probably not.

Lets face it, more people are fed up with this quest than those that are ok with it. And a lot of you people bashing others for their reasons for disliking the relic quest are hypocrites. I have yet to see a thread, a serious one, where people are asking SE to continue making relic weapon quest and other quest exactly like we have it now because its awesome and the best and i enjoyed myself and would do it again every time...no...not one. Cause its a broken way to get others to play old content. Hell, if they even just added new things to old dungeons like random fate boss/type encounters or secret mobs or something. But no....its the same thing every time..and they want you to do this for multiple jobs?! really?

[LaylaTsarra]

Lets face it, more people are fed up with this quest than those that are ok with it.

Speak for yourself. Just about everyone in my Free Company and we have close to 100 are doing Relic or have completed Relic. Even new players are beginning or have completed their ATMA phase. They do it and don't whine about it incessantly and I'm talking about casuals and raiders alike. It may not be for you but the fact of the matter is tons of people are doing it. Personally I enjoyed the story line associated with the relic. I have 4 Zodiac i125 weapons and look forward to the new relic quest coming tomorrow.

I've also collected another set of ATMA in the past couple days. I'm not sure if I'll start another but I'm prepared if I feel the urge to do one.

[RichardButte]

And its also a slap in the face for casuals. First, lest define casual gamer properly. The casual gamer is considered casual because of the time put into game, whether said time is available or just what they want to spend playing game, not because of skill level of game. Casual players are not lemmings or children that just play blindly and are just ok with hitting 2 buttons all day. Casual players are casual because of time invested.

1,000,000x this.

"It's casual, so it's okay if it's boring!" is not an acceptable answer.

[XgungraveX]

1,000,000x this.

"It's casual, so it's okay if it's boring!" is not an acceptable answer.

then don't do it Get UAT and get a weapon or get a static get together and try for a ilvl130 weapon no one is forcing you to do this.

[QiLymePye]

Speak for yourself. Just about everyone in my Free Company and we have close to 100 are doing Relic or have completed Relic. Even new players are beginning or have completed their ATMA phase. They do it and don't whine about it incessantly and I'm talking about casuals and raiders alike. .

First off I said most, which means more than half. I don't care if you are doing it, it still doesn't mean you like it, which is what i said. Second, If you had to do the relic quest all over again tomorrow, would you do it? honestly? Cause that's the issue. Yes relic was fun back in the day, but there is no benefit for doing it now other than being an "elitist" and just wanting to brag about having the time to spend doing it. Once again, its not about skill, its about time.

Now if you like it, more power to you. But there are plenty of people that would chose to do something else in this game than relic because its not worth the time invested. What are you doing your relics for? Glamour? Bragging rights? congrats!!! you have now achieved Novus for every class/job. For what? what are you gonna use the weapons for? People with limited time want to maximize the time they have to get an enjoyable experience from the game. Most casual players play casually, which means they don't have hours to spend grinding for atma playing the same dungeon over and over and over having to wait for 20-30 min queue times in between...come on. Like i said, go make a thread about how you love the way SE made the relic quest. I've yet to see one, but I see lots of people complaining about them.

[Tiggy]

But a majority of people believe and know that after you get past the first stage of relic, story drops.

Lets face it, more people are fed up with this quest than those that are ok with it.

First off I said most, which means more than half.

These are some nice made up statistics you got there. Did people complain about the grind? Sure, but since the relic quest began I never once, not once, heard someone complain about the storyline until this thread. On the contrary I've heard and was a part of multiple discussions talking about the implications of the quest chain on Aether, Materia, Spiritbonding, etc. So quite simply I reject your assumptions you made to support your own opinion as what they are. More opinions, and this thread is hardly large enough to justify your opinion either. It's also the only thread I've ever seen in the last year bringing this issue up whereas I've seen dozens complaining about Atma, or hunts, or other actual issues the player base really has a problem with.

When you say things like this..

There isn't even motivation to start it. IMO, primal weapons look cooler, most are stronger, and then its exciting to try to get those weapons compared to the "relic quest".

it makes me think you aren't paying attention either. Jalzahn wanted to recreate a Zodiac weapon of legend with you help. Did you even try watching the cutscenes? No wonder you don't think there was a story.

You want to have a real conversation about how to improve the quest? Let's do it. Several posts back I actually asked specific things that might have continued a real conversation to fix this problem, but the questions were ignored. As usual people would rather argue their opinion as right instead of actually meeting in the middle and discussing the real problem. It happened just a few posts ago, and to this post not one person has addressed my questions. They continue to pick the one part of an opinion they disagree with and argue it to death ignoring real discussion.

Lastly, yes it's technically story. The reason that is important to acknowledge is simple. How do you expect Square to accurately fix the problems you have with the quest when you white wash it with simple cut downs and can't even properly articulate your problems?

Yes, it has a story, but I didn't find it engaging and it wasn't what I would have liked.

Is a far better statement than..

There is no story at all.

because it articulates the true grievance of the problem.

Use your words to accurately articulate your issue if you want problems to be properly resolved and to avoid unnecessary argument on the forums.

[LaylaTsarra]

First off I said most, which means more than half.

Kindly provide a link to support this statement. It's simply not true. Prove it.

I have all War and Magic classes leveled and yeah guess what I might do another, it really depends upon how busy I'll be upgrading the 4 I have to ilevel 135 weapons.

[RichardButte]

However thank you for GLEEFULLY ignoring the rest of my post where I asked deeper questions that might get us somewhere and you instead just try to refuse that one minor point that only supports your opinion anyway. GG. You fail at constructive discussions.

I answered the rest of your post PAGES ago: WoW already did this and did it BETTER (which makes me sick to even SAY...).

They did it by having players do things for the questline that benefit them in OTHER ways already, like earning VP, running LFRs, etc. Never once did they send you to run a level 30 dungeon or hang out in a level 15 zone because they wanted you there to supplement the content for lower level players (which is an ultra-crappy thing to force players to do).

As has been said, something being "casual" doesn't mean it can be boring, crappy and repetitive and no one has any right to complain.

And as I ALSO said, let us level another class while working on books and it would at least be SOMETHING...