The relic weapon quest is OBSCENELY boring...

[Parodine]

That's the thing though. Farming Tier IV materias are a real pain, so I ended up caving in and buying most of them. Novus (the materia part, not farming the alexandrite) is by the far part I hated the most of the relic quest.

Why did you feel like you needed tier IV's at all, though? Because you don't unless you're a true min-maxer. And even if just filling it up without tier IVs, if you happen a long tier ivs more casually, you can always change the stats later on. That step is extremely flexible.

Making money isn't terribly hard for me, but even so, on my WHM one I had the ability to go for full Piety which thankfully was cheaper than anything else. But the Det IV's I bought and any that didn't make the fusion and broke I just put into crit. But even not buying any iv's at all, I don't think 7 determination would make a noticable cure difference practically.

[RichardButte]

Sorry I misread it.

But that's the point, SE wants players to do other stuff, not stuff that they would do anyway.

I get that, but that's the thing: it's like if you were working to get your PHD in mathematics and your professor says one day, "Tonight, I'm going to assign you math homework fit for a 3rd grader!"

Forcing older players to reinforce the content for newer players (or players leveling new classes) is a good way to make older players hate you.

History has also shown it's not necessary: there's enough incentive for players to level new classes that you shouldn't need to send older players back into that content anyway.

[Jamez82]

I hear ya OP. I have 3 dungeon atma left for my Zodiac and none of them have been dropping for days. I mean like... 15 a day and nothing.

[Gilthas]

It's more about not making players spam the endgame content even more.

[RichardButte]

It's more about not making players spam the endgame content even more.

But endgame content is giving us exactly what we need anyway, which is why it makes it feel a lot less grindy if we have to run endgame content for the relic questline.

It worked that way in WoW and it was fine: you ran LFRs and, in most cases, each boss had a chance to drop an item you needed for your legendary in addition to dropping a piece of gear for you.

And you know how they could make the current situation better? Let us grind for our books...on ANY class instead of having to have the weapon equipped. Let us get credit for whatever book we have without needing to be that class.

That way, we could at LEAST be leveling another class and making progress on SOMETHING instead of literally getting nothing out of the experience except some measly gil and credit for the book...

[Gilthas]

But endgame content is giving us exactly what we need anyway,

More reason to not have relic weapons revolve around endgame content.

[Felis]

Did you even READ my post?

If the relic weapon required you to run 24 mans, there wouldn't be an issue. The three 24s are to XIV what LFR is to WoW: easily puggable, and no where near "the highest level raids" (referring to CHALLENGE, not ilevel, of course).

You have the option to farm the 2000 light points for Nexus with only doing CT, if you like it.

[Elim]

Back in the day when we had max i90 gear and the relic step was only to do the primals, it was fun. Then everything else happened.

Actually, let me clarify; it was fun AFTER they upgraded the servers. Grinding i90 gear wasn't fun though. Lol. To this day, I have yet to see the healer gloves drop from t1 LMAO.

[Bluejay]

It's right up there with the time wasting abysmal joke that is progression in fishing. At least with the relic progression you are PLAYING the game. With fishing its weeks of hitting the same two buttons over and over again. The dev's need to go back to design school and learn the difference between a waste of time and a game.

[Warlyx]

It's right up there with the time wasting abysmal joke that is progression in fishing. At least with the relic progression you are PLAYING the game. With fishing its weeks of hitting the same two buttons over and over again. The dev's need to go back to design school and learn the difference between a waste of time and a game.

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fun come first they said...if isnt fun your are doing it wrong .....