The relic weapon quest is OBSCENELY boring...

[Tiggy]

No, it does not make what people said in any thread discussing the relic true. One can assume though, if the majority of the responses in a particular thread are positive/negative that the overall issue is perceived as positive/negative.

No, they can't assume that. Everyone here knows this forum is made up of the vocal minority of the game. I know dozens of people in my FC who never come to the forums at all. Ever. Also, anyone who's ever taken a statistics class could tell you better than I how poor of a population this forum is for random sampling. It's a specifically biased group of people that have voluntarily come here to complain. This is in no way a valid group to make ANY statistical inferences at all. You're making wild assumptions and using terrible data to justify them. I don't think you understand how statistics works.

Well then, like Laylatsarra and yourself said, prove it. Otherwise it is nothing less than your opinion.

You are the ones complaining. The burden of proof is on you to prove your complaint is valid. Not for me to prove it wrong. Once again you appear to not know how these things work. There is literally a wikipedia article about it too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philoso...urden_of_proof

I'm more than willing to admit that I'm voicing some opinions. Willing to admit my cross section of the game isn't representative of the whole. That however changes nothing about you guys treating your own personal opinions like facts. Me pointing out how flawed your opinions are with my own opinions doesn't suddenly change your opinions into fact. That's not how logic and rasoning works.

[Fyce]

By using this logic, there is no content that requires the use of raid weapons, primal weapons, or tomestone weapons.

Thank you for proving my point, even if your statement is a bit absurd.

[Izsha]

The number of likes are only correlated with the population of the official forums. There's also the point that divisive issues also get large groups of likes. They galvanize the extreme ends, but because there is no downvote, it isn't even representative of the official forums. If 100 people love an idea and 100 people hate it, the post will still have 100 likes and 'appear' to be a popular idea when it is in fact a wash. There are so many things wrong with using official forum 'data' I could go in for a long while. But those are some if the major points.

Forums are a tiny fraction of the population

They are usually extreme outliers that hate or love something. The guys in the middle don't care enough to waste their time. Vocal minority.

No downvote shrouds divisive, galvanizing issues in a veil of imagined mandate.

Forums are really not representative of the game at large. SE has data about who is really doing their content.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Don't forget the stupid posting limits. Without them, we'd get WAAAAY more complaint threads here.

[QiLymePye]

really? Thread is about why relic is boring. Why is it boring? well...grind is half of it. You don't grind for nothing in what you do. Even in life. You grind because of the reward. You grind because either you have to, or you want to. Like I have said, right now, the relic quest is boring and pointless. In this instance they go hand in hand. Now, yes i don't have concrete stats, but like another poster has noticed, I don't see threads of people saying they enjoy the way the relic quest was put together and the grind of it. Not one thread, but I have seen lots of threads blasting SE for the way they did this quest.

[aisustrong]

really? Thread is about why relic is boring. Why is it boring? well...grind is half of it. You don't grind for nothing in what you do. Even in life. You grind because of the reward. You grind because either you have to, or you want to. Like I have said, right now, the relic quest is boring and pointless. In this instance they go hand in hand. Now, yes i don't have concrete stats, but like another poster has noticed, I don't see threads of people saying they enjoy the way the relic quest was put together and the grind of it. Not one thread, but I have seen lots of threads blasting SE for the way they did this quest.

at this point, yeah it doesnt really seem balanced
its so ridiculously easy to get 110 weapon from st, and you dont even need to do it as the class (so no waiting for df if you have a tank/healer)

[Tiggy]

Not one thread, but I have seen lots of threads blasting SE for the way they did this quest.

There were plenty of people in those threads arguing that they were OK at the time so that doesn't prove anything. Also, forums more often have complaints than postitive threads. This isn't new or unique further showing those threads don't prove anything. Also statistically it is inadmissible for reasons that were just mentioned in no less than two posts. Did you completely miss two posts specifically talking about how that isn't usable data?

Those threads literally prove nothing other than that you are willing to use poor data sources to back your biased opinion, and that the same trends seen in other video game forums will continue here like should have been expected. Continuing to use these threads as your supporting evidence is not a very strong foundation for your argument at all.

I have yet to see anyone argue anything more than opinions. Try to offer actual fixes for a change. It will be novel!

or not and continuing argue for why your opinion is right. Because that fixes anything.

[SummonerSenah]

I'm just not a fan of the parts where you have to have the particular weapon equipped in order for it to count. I mean I can see why they would do that, but at the same time it would make it less boring if you could mix it up. For relevance, I have one Nexus, one Novus, and three Atma weapons right now. I do consider them mostly glamour pieces so I'm not rushing to do them, which is probably why I'm still sane.

[Spawnie]

really dont know why ppl whinge about relic weapon quests its not like you have to do them to get best in slot gear theres plenty of alternatives..

do you whinge about how boring farming raid dungeons is cause u havent dropped the weapon yet?? imo farming dungeons over n over for 1 weapon to drop is 100000000x worse then relic weapon quests relic quests give a different alternative from having to farm dungeons if dont like it dont do it it isnt rocket science some ppl just arent happy unless they are complaining ffs

[QiLymePye]

at this point, yeah it doesnt really seem balanced
its so ridiculously easy to get 110 weapon from st, and you dont even need to do it as the class (so no waiting for df if you have a tank/healer)

Thank you. That's all I'm saying. When this quest first came out, it was cool. I did. But you know what turned me off? The Atma grind pre nerf. Its one thing to grind but its another to spend the little time you have grinding same fates over and over to get a drop, but there are others who were getting two to three drops in one night. It took me three weeks to get one atma. No. Not fun. It became frustrating, unfair, and then at some point it was better to do CT and ST because not only did you get better gear, but you also got tomes AND had fun playing. Not fun fighting stupid fates with lvl sync and not getting a drop for weeks. That is why its boring.

And all of you that say well i had fun, make a thread asking SE to keep same formula for Relic. Add more things to make you go back and replay old content over and over in a monotonous stream. You won't. Why? Because you know the backlash you would get. You think I'm wrong? Put your name on it. Make a thread.

Once again, I don't care how many people are represented by this forum and how many like this thread has gotten, I HAVE NOT SEEN ONE THREAD FROM YOU OR ANYONE OF YOU BACKING THE RELIC QUEST TELLING SE YOU LIKED IT, LOVED IT, AND WANT MORE OF IT. Not one.....so going by percentages, 0% of threads on this forum congratulate SE on the way they have handled this relic quest as time went on. Hell, its not even a quest anymore more so than a hunting log type event.