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Thread: Dear All Bards,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Accolade View Post
    Pretty sure you are iterating the exact same points you made many pages ago, to try validate an opinion in which the vast majority think you are wrong.
    My main point is the same just like every single person in here has a single main point which is whether they agree or disagree with the OP, any other points are tangents and my replies are no different. The context and content of my replies are tailored to the points others make.

    Care to prove the vast majority think I am wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Makado View Post
    Saying you don't have to play a song because its "easy content" is like saying the Tanks don't have to grab adds or try and hold aggro because the mobs don't hit that hard, or the healer should just stand there and do nothing when the mobs hits are weak.
    No, it isn't. If the mobs do not actually hit hard enough to be a concern in those areas then the healer is doing the right thing not wasting MP when it is not needed, saying a tank not holding aggro is like saying a bard not DPS'ing rather than a bard not singing a song that is not needed. Your examples are highly flawed, a bards job is to primarily DPS and use songs when needed not primarily to play songs and DPS only when needed.

    A tanks job is to tank mobs and hold aggro when needed, if they are capable and willing to speed run (which is all this thread is really whining about in reality, the speeding up of clearing content not the ability to actually clear it) then they can if they want, that's their choice of which I respect that choice but they do not have to just like a bard does not need to play a song when no song is needed and you do not get to dictate or demand differently anymore so than I get to dictate every tank must speed run all the time.

    This threads topic is nothing more in reality than a whine-fest of some people demanding speed runs of easy content because the playing of the songs when not required has nothing to do with the ability to clear that easy content yet the whining has everything to do with clearing that content faster. It is equivalent of me making a thread called "all tanks must speed run", "all players must eat food and use pots on easy content", "all healers must DPS", "all cinematic's must be skipped" or "all bards must use Swiftsong between pulls".

    It is nothing more than a speed run thread which is specifically targeting bards on this occasion.
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    We all know the bards all leave after the 2nd boss anyway. Your argument is invalid.
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    Lol the tone im getting from this thread is that a bard who doesnt sing a hundred percent of the time is a bad bard. But a bard who sings a song a hundred percent of the time is ALSO a bad bard. Why? Cause if its not foes than they are nerfing their damage by 20% uunnecessary. And even then y play foes when there is no cast dps. Its more proper to say a bard who doesnt sing during the appropriate situation is a bad bard.
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    Stories about bad bards never fail to aggravate me. As a player who mains the job, I go all-out when it comes to the numbers. Battle Voiced Requiem for the pull, Windbite or Straight Shot opener depending on the encounter's length and whether or not the fight has downtime. I am sometimes shocked by the gaps I leave since bard is the easiest DPS job in the game, and when I get paired up with other bards the difference between them and I is night and day. It has gotten to the point where I actually become overjoyed when I play with a bard whose skills rival my own. Every time I hear these horror stories about bards who don't utilize their songs properly for the benefit of their party or alliance, or do an extremely low amount of DPS when they have the highest uptime of any other DPS job, I can't help but think to myself: "WHY?"

    If I had a nickel for every lolbrd in this game, I'd be richer than Bill Gates.
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    Last edited by SlyRoyale; 02-23-2015 at 03:27 AM. Reason: Typos, and expanded a bit on what lolbrds do that grind my gears.

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    When I play DRG I should just stop using invigorate because I don't have to I'm not a support job lol.
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    It does surprise me when Bards don't use their songs, especially Ballad if it's needed.

    Are there times you shouldn't play Foes? Does it boost the enemy damage? I was running AK HM and someone said it did. I'm a bit confused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlyRoyale View Post
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    Agreed. I remember a similar post that was locked talking about how a brd *shouldn't* have to play song in easy content due to not wanting to lose dps. How that person thought that thought healers should practice good mp management, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quinnie View Post
    Are there times you shouldn't play Foes? Does it boost the enemy damage? I was running AK and someone said it did. I'm a bit confused.
    Between pulls it should be off by default for MP's sake and that it can "pull" enemy mobs that are in the range of effect. In AK normal there's a few skippable pulls that it might've aggro'd. But no it does not boost enemy damage at all (besides reflect mechanics if we're getting technical >_>)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leadleaf View Post
    Between pulls it should be off by default for MP's sake and that it can "pull" enemy mobs that are in the range of effect. In AK normal there's a few skippable pulls that it might've aggro'd. But no it does not boost enemy damage at all (besides reflect mechanics if we're getting technical >_>)
    Oh good okay, thank you for the answer! I didn't think it did but they were so sure, it's cast doubts whenever I've played it since x_x

    & Yes, I'd definitely reinstate that to anyone who leaves it up in between pulls. Turning it off makes a big difference for MP and for the sake of your Tank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quinnie View Post
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    The only time that Foe Requiem shouldn't be played, or should be turned off, is when the tank is still grabbing groups for the pull or there are patrolling/docile mobs that may be within earshot. If Requiem reaches a pack of mobs before the tank grabs them with their pull tool, that pack will come after the bard. If there's a patrolling mob, or docile adds during boss fights, that's more adds to deal with during those fights. If the tank and healer aren't ready for that, it can potentially cause a pull or a fight to wipe. It's best to play Foe Requiem once the tank has pulled all the packs and is grouping them up, or far enough from un-aggro'd mobs so they don't hear it. Other than accidentally pulling mobs, and conserving MP between pulls, there is no reason not to play Foe Requiem.
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