Dear All Bards,

[Accolade]

Grab a brd,a blm and a parser, get the blm to hit something for a while, and check the dps.
Do it again with foe on, and you will notice the blm does at least 10% more dmg. Yes its resistance down, but I think people just say 10% more dmg, because the end result is the same.

[Elkya95]

Grab a brd,a blm and a parser, get the blm to hit something for a while, and check the dps.
Do it again with foe on, and you will notice the blm does at least 10% more dmg. Yes its resistance down, but I think people just say 10% more dmg, because the end result is the same.

You know that the damage increase is visible when you hit the enemy, right? You see the fire do more damage when it hits.

[Accolade]

Just saying it lets you analyse it after and have solid evidence at the end , of exactly how much more dmg you did overall. But yea if you wanna watch numbers I dont see why thats a problem.

[ExiaQuanta]

Sorry that se does not create a scenerio where all three songs are needed. Besides from coil and speed pulls where the heck will u run out tp or mp. Theres more physical dps than magic dps (at least in my server). 5min fights are remedied through invigorate and goad. Honestly if you take longer than 5mins in any dungeon boss fight something is wrong. Healers have ways of getting mp back. There isnt really any situation where any song is needed so I can understand why some bards forget they have songs lol

Dont get me wrong im all for foes for at least 1 magic dps. But the environment that pple leveled theit bard in doesn't really enforce songs

[Snugglebutt]

They don't forget they have songs, but when songs are not required to clear the content (especially in content that is very easy in itself) it becomes up to the bard if they want to play a song depending if they personally want the run to go potentially faster or whether they are happy to take it easy within that easy content.

Same way a healer if wanted to speed things up might DPS aka using holy for example instead of just healing when doing easy content that does not need them to do so or a tank pulling a lot of mobs when they do not need to do so because they made a choice to speed things up. DPS using perfect rotations, eating buff food and popping pots in order to speed run a place is another example even when that place lacks any necessity to put that much effort into clearing it. In the end it is completely up to the individual players of any class whether or not to push for a faster clear using their skills or just casually cruise through it taking it easy when doing easy content. Playing songs in easy content is the same.

If it is not required and they want to play songs because they want to speed things up maybe then good for them, that's fine, if they just want to focus on their DPS skill set and not support skill set when the support skill set is not required during easy content, that's fine also. On hard content where songs are needed, most bards will play them but on easy content it's just not whine worthy when a player does not feel like doing a speed run.

[CYoung187]

If a bard doesn't sing they are bad, no excusing it.

Tanks don't always have to use their cooldowns, healers don't have to stoneskin, dps doesn't have to their cooldowns to clear content. If they aren't they are lazy, stop trying to make excuses for laziness. "We dont have to" is just lame. I feel like most people enter CT raids as brds so they can pretty much sleep walk through it.

[Snugglebutt]

If a bard doesn't sing they are bad, no excusing it.

Tanks don't always have to use their cooldowns, healers don't have to stoneskin, dps doesn't have to their cooldowns to clear content. If they aren't they are lazy, stop trying to make excuses for laziness. "We dont have to" is just lame. I feel like most people enter CT raids as brds so they can pretty much sleep walk through it.

What a silly thing to say. A lot of bards who take it easy on easy content achieve just as much success and progress just as far if not further into hardcore content than perhaps you have done. It has nothing to do with their competence or ability to clear hard content when they are actually doing hard content.

On easy content they are perfectly capable of taking it easier without having to go full steam 24/7 on everything they do, it is very reasonable for a player to take it easy on easy content not playing a song when not needed or not constantly popping pots or food buffs when not needed...it has nothing to do with their competence or ability to clear hard content when they decide to take part in content that is actually hard.

Pretty sure you have said that like 19 times in this thread.

Pretty sure your reply added nothing to further the discussion on the actual topic itself.

[Accolade]

It has nothing to do with their competence or ability to clear hard content when they are actually doing hard content.

On easy content they are perfectly capable of taking it easier without having to go full steam 24/7 on everything they do, it is very reasonable for a player to take it easy on easy content not playing a song when not needed or not constantly popping pots or food buffs when not needed...it has nothing to do with their competence or ability to clear hard content when they decide to take part in content that is actually hard.



Pretty sure your reply added nothing to further the discussion on the actual topic itself.

Pretty sure you are iterating the exact same points you made many pages ago, to try validate an opinion in which the vast majority think you are wrong.

[Snugglebutt]

Pretty sure you are iterating the exact same points you made many pages ago, to try validate an opinion in which the vast majority think you are wrong.

My main point is the same just like every single person in here has a single main point which is whether they agree or disagree with the OP, any other points are tangents and my replies are no different. The context and content of my replies are tailored to the points others make.

Care to prove the vast majority think I am wrong?

Saying you don't have to play a song because its "easy content" is like saying the Tanks don't have to grab adds or try and hold aggro because the mobs don't hit that hard, or the healer should just stand there and do nothing when the mobs hits are weak.

No, it isn't. If the mobs do not actually hit hard enough to be a concern in those areas then the healer is doing the right thing not wasting MP when it is not needed, saying a tank not holding aggro is like saying a bard not DPS'ing rather than a bard not singing a song that is not needed. Your examples are highly flawed, a bards job is to primarily DPS and use songs when needed not primarily to play songs and DPS only when needed.

A tanks job is to tank mobs and hold aggro when needed, if they are capable and willing to speed run (which is all this thread is really whining about in reality, the speeding up of clearing content not the ability to actually clear it) then they can if they want, that's their choice of which I respect that choice but they do not have to just like a bard does not need to play a song when no song is needed and you do not get to dictate or demand differently anymore so than I get to dictate every tank must speed run all the time.

This threads topic is nothing more in reality than a whine-fest of some people demanding speed runs of easy content because the playing of the songs when not required has nothing to do with the ability to clear that easy content yet the whining has everything to do with clearing that content faster. It is equivalent of me making a thread called "all tanks must speed run", "all players must eat food and use pots on easy content", "all healers must DPS", "all cinematic's must be skipped" or "all bards must use Swiftsong between pulls".

It is nothing more than a speed run thread which is specifically targeting bards on this occasion.

[Accolade]

Pretty sure you have said that like 19 times in this thread.