Dear All Bards,

[Caoihmin]

If you have documentation stating that Foe's affects Magic dmg done by those outside of your party, by all means let me know.

Following that assumption, Ballad should boost MP of all healer's in a 24 man raid, boost the TP of all melee DPS/tanks in a 24 man raid, as long as you are in adequate proximity to them.

This should apply to hunts as well. 50+ players all benefit from the one Bard singing his little heart out. Huzzah!

[StouterTaru]

If you have documentation stating that Foe's affects Magic dmg done by those outside of your party, by all means let me know.

Foe doesn't affect your party, if affects the mob. This is why everyone in the alliance gets the benefit.

[Donarudo]

Dear all Healers,

Raise. Use It
Healing spells. Use them

It makes me "die" a little bit on the inside whenever I go into raids and not a single one of the eight healers in the alliance want to use Raise. Come on, guys.

This is not a a thread about healers its about Bards...maybe you should stay on topic?

[Eidolon]

If you have documentation stating that Foe's affects Magic dmg done by those outside of your party, by all means let me know.

Following that assumption, Ballad should boost MP of all healer's in a 24 man raid, boost the TP of all melee DPS/tanks in a 24 man raid, as long as you are in adequate proximity to them.

This should apply to hunts as well. 50+ players all benefit from the one Bard singing his little heart out. Huzzah!

Incorrect on your assumption, actually.



Foe's Requiem
Reduces all enemy elemental resistance by 10%. MP is drained while singing. Effect is lost if targets move out of hearing distance, and ends upon reuse. Cannot be used with other songs.

Army's Paeon
Refreshes TP of all nearby party members while lowering own damage dealt by 20%. MP is drained while singing. Refresh effect is lost if party members move out of hearing distance, and ends upon reuse. Cannot be used with other songs.

It's the affected targets that makes the difference. It doesn't say it's lowering Enemey Elemental Resistance 'For your party', it just outright lowers the resistance. This is why when 2 bards sing Requiem, you don't see the same debuff multiple times on the same mob - it only appears once, as it's for both bards (Doesn't matter if you're in their party, either.)

Meanwhile, as you said, in a hunt, you're only affecting your party members. Because, again, party members. Not 'All those in range.'


Second Edit-In:
Another thing you can take note of, is when your enemy has the debuff on them, it merely states "All Magic Resistances are reduced." This is, again, affecting your enemy, not 'for your party.'

[Caoihmin]

I completely understand that this is an enemy debuff, but I believe it's a stretch to propose, when all other songs affect only other party members and even though it is not specifically stated as such, that this one song benefits the whole alliance. Is it possible that this enemy debuff is not universal but serves to provide a dmg buff to only your party? I am assuming this, but others are assuming the "universal" debuff as well.

Again, if someone can provide valid documentation that proves me wrong other than their interpretation of how Foe's mechanics work, I will stand corrected.

And what difference does it make if it's a hunt? You quote "party members" here but it's the same dynamic as in a raid. If Foe's affects only the enemy then all should benefit outside of your hunt party, according to your proposition.

[Eidolon]

And what difference does it make if it's a hunt? You quote "party members" here but it's the same dynamic as in a raid. If Foe's affects only the enemy then all should benefit outside of your hunt party, according to your proposition.

Everyone in the hunt would benefit from Foe's Requiem (assuming you can get it to apply. The debuff limit might affect that, at worst-case scenario.)

You were the only one who mentioned hunts, but I was moreso referring to your suggestiong of Paeon/Ballad on hunts. Those people of the Hunt aren't in your party for the hunt - they're all outside of your party, thus Paeon/Ballad won't affect them unless they are in your party. Meanwhile, they ARE all attacking the boss, so they will gain the benefit of the Foe's Requiem being applied to the mob.

ow, out of curiousity, how would you suggest 'having documentation'? Do you wish me to go and get a Bard/Black Mage outside my party and show you the 20% increase in damage when I BV Requiem? Because I can do that, but it just seems silly at this point.

[Evangela]

not as bad as sluggish tanks who don't want to pull even though everyone is ready.

[Skivvy]

I can't read through all 7 pages ATM, but I'm really hoping the following has already been pointed out.



Foe Requiem does not lower the BRDs DPS.

All other songs do, but not foe. There is really no reason not to play it (assuming you have casters) unless you think you'll be needing to play ballad soon.


EDIT: OK, saw that it was mentioned at least once, so yay! Never hurts to repeat this though, I think a lot of bards are unaware.

[StouterTaru]

snip

Foe works exactly the same as slashing/piercing/blunt resistance down. People outside your party/alliance benefit from it in FATEs and hunts.

[Tremara]

I have no stress using Foe on bosses but I seldom use it on trash because unfortunatly there are too many tanks who are just auto-attacking the "main-mob" and I end way to often with the aggro of spawned adds. Then I have to start running in circles with the mobs around said tanks hoping that one of them would start tanking - more likely a healer gets aggro who is spamming Medica/Medica II.