Community - The Most Likely Cause of the Game's Downfall

[Miste]

Simply saying you need it too is more than enough, randomly acting like you need to say nothing and act as if you deserve it is exactly what you are saying I'm doing. Freaking hypocrites.

The nonsense you type brought up a scenario in my head of two strangers standing at a cooler with sandwiches in it.
One of them decided on a sandwich finally, but just as they did the other person takes said sandwich.
So one stranger says to the other ... "Why didn't you just TELL me you needed it!?"
....
Yeah...that sounds normal.
Pretty sure people don't go around a grocery store declaring out loud "HEY I NEED THIS" on everything they grab to make sure no one else needed it, its there, they are there, they want it, they take it, they had enough money to buy it, they go home. (you didn't have enough money for your CT piece obviously)

If you are surrounded by strangers don't expect them to announce all their intentions or be surprised if you get ignored since you know...they don't know you.
Even if they answer and declare their intentions what does it change? They still roll you still lose lot...nothing changed. You are basically just mad you lost lot in a fair RNG against another player and at being ignored...on an MMO, I think you must be new to online games?

[Ryuukishi]

So I'm being selfish and entitled for the grandiose crime...of someone simply saying they need the gear too? Holy ****, I didn't think I would see someone so pretentious act as if that is so selfish of me to even get a damn answer, whether they need or not for ANY purpose.

Stop. You can come up with more and more elaborate justifications of why you deserve the gear more than the person you rolled against, but it's irrelevant. They have the same right to roll that you do. Period. You don't get to vet their reasons for rolling and they have no obligation to explain it to you.

[Enkrateia]

Greetings, all!

This thread has certainly taken a rather negative turn, both in direct insults and negative tones in sincere replies. There is certainly a valuable discussion to be had here about working together as a community and obtaining loot, and this discussion can be had without any of the negative aspects. Removing the direct insults should be easy (don't do it); however, tone can be difficult on an online medium. I recommend taking a moment to review what you write and to consider it from a negative standpoint to determine if it can be taken negatively. While this may not prevent it from being taken with a negative tone, a second glance can certainly help out a lot in heated and passionate discussions like this.

3) The lack of a moderator presence in the official forums.

Most successful forums (or forums I believe to be successful and rather drama free) are the ones that have very obvious and direct moderator intervention. They place warnings in topics for all to see. Sometimes they just delete a post entirely and replace it with "Post has been removed by moderator for violation/flaming/off topic" or will have an actual warning sign with a comment and warning from a moderator. It's not that the moderators in those forums make themselves a part of conversations, but they don't ghost erase posts without any sign of intervention. I also see the moderators here just lock a thread instead of cleaning it up which isn't fair to those who were engaging in stimulating conversation.

Taking a moment to address this point as well, the moderation style you bring up is not often used because of our privacy policy. By noting that we took action against a post, it would indicate that we took action against an account, which is only information the owner of the account should be entitled to. As for posting more often, we do post when closing a thread or trying to correct the direction of a thread, as is being done here. However, we do not do this often since threads generally do well in staying on topic or die out before a GM response would be given.

LGM Enkrateia

[Xhominid]

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I get the feeling you like seeing yourself type...
You are exaggerating what I'm talking about but nice try. I don't remember me saying that for everything or me saying I say that for everything or it applies to everything. All I said as if someone asks that they need something, randomly changing that whole thing to "people going to ask for everything" nonsense isn't attacking my point in anyway, it just continues to point out how ridiculous this whole thing is with simply saying you need it as well IF someone asks if they can have something.

There is no entitlement in it whatsoever, so try again.
And P.S. this is not my first MMO and I barely even played in MMOs that had the greed system to begin with and barely cared.

Stop. You can come up with more and more elaborate justifications of why you deserve the gear more than the person you rolled against, but it's irrelevant. They have the same right to roll that you do. Period. You don't get to vet their reasons for rolling and they have no obligation to explain it to you.

Oh well hey, it's funny because the people who responded to me is doing the exact same nonsense. I'll I asked is simply saying SOMETHING, you is literally defending the right to be a troll yet not wanting to be called one. There is no justification or just cause for simply not saying ANYTHING, that's being lazy. And your defense is pretentious.

And hiding behind MMO logic doesn't stop you from being a troll. It's your right to do what you do, it's my right to call you a troll, we both payed money for this game monthly and THAT is my right.

[RayneBoemir]

Why would these new players need gear from HM Primals when it becomes obsolete a little after hitting 50 (soldiery weapon)

[Sadana]

Greetings, all!

This thread has certainly taken a rather negative turn, both in direct insults and negative tones in sincere replies.
....trying to correct the direction of a thread, as is being done here. However, we do not do this often since threads generally do well in staying on topic or die out before a GM response would be given.

LGM Enkrateia

I think perhaps this thread has gone too far down the road of personal insults to be pulled back. ^^' The two sides are very firmly on each side and are unable to understand any other viewpoint but their own due to their personal experiences in the game. I'll stick my neck out and call for closure. Overwhelming negativity isn't good for the front page of the forum.

[LaylaTsarra]

Since 2.5 I've used over 350,000 GC seals. Sorry but I didn't get those by running fates and certainly don't plan on doing that in the future. If someone asks for a pass on a particular set of gear I'll consider it. And you better believe if I'm interested in a particular piece of gear for glamour I'll jump at getting it. One thing is for sure I'm not about to check the gear level of players in my party to make a decision about whether or not I'm going to roll on a particular set of gear.

Furthermore I'm not sure what type of free companies people belong too but in ours our crafters are quick to help new players by making gear for them not only for War classes but for Crafting classes as well.

Sadly the name calling started early on by calling people douche's and selfish. There is or was no need to get into name calling to have a discussion of this sort.

16 Bombard Cores for these.

[Pruviant]

It is my opinion that, whenever you queue up for an instance, you agree to the predetermined loot rules for that instance. While Party Finder can define their own rules (i.e. called items), when you queue for Duty Finder with even 1 slot open you are agreeing to the default loot system, which is Need/Greed. If you are a tank but need MNK items for instance, the fact you ran it on a tank class for faster queue times shouldn't give you more right to the MNK gear than the other players in the instance with you. If a player only rolls on it to turn in for seals, that should not be an issue.

[Lethallin]

Oh well hey, it's funny because the people who responded to me is doing the exact same nonsense. I'll I asked is simply saying SOMETHING, you is literally defending the right to be a troll yet not wanting to be called one. There is no justification or just cause for simply not saying ANYTHING, that's being lazy. And your defense is pretentious.

And hiding behind MMO logic doesn't stop you from being a troll. It's your right to do what you do, it's my right to call you a troll, we both payed money for this game monthly and THAT is my right.

He's simply stating that them saying they're going for something or not doesn't make a difference. It's possible they didn't know that item dropped. It's possible they didn't know it had that stat allocation. It's possible they don't read party chat. It's possible they are playing on a playstation and typing is a PITA so they don't bother.

Unless you plan on dropping group or initiating a votekick for them, the results will still be a 50/50 chance of you getting it if they say they want it or not. Some people are just not as talkative as others.

[Pruviant]

There are plenty of reasons to turn in items for seals that don't fall into the category of "wasted". Maybe the person is working on their Zodiac weapon and needs seals for Bombard Cores. Maybe they want to trade those seals in for crafting items for Lucis tools. Just because you don't know their intentions doesn't make them a "greedy player", it really isn't your business in the first place what they do with a drop they legitimately won. What it boils down to is this: Do you need Demon Armor of Fending? RUN WoD ON A TANK CLASS. Otherwise don't get all bent out of shape when you are on BRD and you greed it, only to be beaten by someone else who greeded with you.