Suggested Improvements to Need/Greed/Pass System

[Deviant1]

The core problem here is someone getting gear they don't need over someone who actually does need it.

I would disagree, your assuming that your need is greater then my need. there are many reasons to need gear as others have said: for company seals, desynth and glamor.

There is another detail being overlooked: Party finder 'greed' parties.
If you want to gear up a job, then join/create a 'greed' coil or wod party. Then you can choose 2 items and have a chance at something for a class your not on.

What SE really needs to do is move from gear drops into tokens only. say 3 tokens for an accessory/belt, 4 for head/gloves/feet and 5 for body/pants. This way each run at least helps make some progression instead of the 30 runs for a specific piece due to the dreaded RNG.

[EveK]

Sure lets do this.....oh wait nope not a good idea because then people would just join in the minimum item level so noooooooooooooo. Systems not broken or abused in fact I'll be needing on all tank drops I can turn in because next relic step is next week.

This epitomizes the problem. Your plan doesn't give a damn about the intent of the system or anyone other than yourself - only how to exploit the flaws in the system. Excellent point, though. Simply looking at what they have equipped would not be a good solution. A true fix would have to actually see what they have in Armoury Chest and on retainers.

[KarmaCha]

This epitomizes the problem. Your plan doesn't give a damn about the intent of the system or anyone other than yourself - only how to exploit the flaws in the system. Excellent point, though. Simply looking at what they have equipped would not be a good solution. A true fix would have to actually see what they have in Armoury Chest and on retainers.

You really don't understand the core point of the Need/Greed system. Your need for an ilvl increase does not usurp the need for people's seals, desynth, glamour. I do not want this game making a check of my entire inventory every time i run a dungeon with someone who wants to easiest way to obtain gear.

[Kuwagami]

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a true fix would be people stopping complaining about things that are fine and starting working for their rewards. Want healer stuff ? go in as a healer. There are 2 healers ? you still have more than 50% chance to get it (odds are, the other healer might not "need" it as many desynthers tend to greed only nowadays if only them can roll on it, to give a chance to everyone.

If SE has something to fix about the loot, it's the RNG on drops. How come a party without any NIN can get a full raid NIN only loot pool ? that's plain dumb, and there is nothing to make up for the lack of luck. It's fine in 24 men raid because spammable, but in lock-out raids, it's just heart breaking to see things hit the floor week after week because noone can use them.

[Dererk]

This epitomizes the problem. Your plan doesn't give a damn about the intent of the system or anyone other than yourself - only how to exploit the flaws in the system. Excellent point, though. Simply looking at what they have equipped would not be a good solution. A true fix would have to actually see what they have in Armoury Chest and on retainers.

Excuse me are you saying that we should have all our retainers searched ( dramatic raised voice in coming beep beep) ARE YOU REALY SAYING THIS? Uh no thank you what I got in my storage is my business not any one else's the systems not broken uts people who whine about something like this who are broken i usely just greed unless I dealt need seals or such.

[FranSeara]

Sorry, if you place this in the game it would undermind many systems in place. 1. You might not to be able to outfitt your retainer(s) (with good gear) 2. Desynthis is part of the game, if you disallow players from having 2 maybe 3 of certain items, You destory desy. True example: I have many copies of the sch/smn Garuda books that I plan on breaking down for the needed mats to make the item level 95 sp. Garuda book. This is part of a system placed in the game by the DEVS. You MUST have the mats to make the items. Theres no other way. Hate to say it, If you want certain items...play the class.

[EveK]

Grand company seals are a perfectly valid reason to want loot, but you get seals for equipment regardless of what class it is for. And everyone can use seals. The problem is people that think they are more entitled to seals than the other party members.

Glamour is tricky. Ideally, the system would be based on unlocks (much like Diablo III's transmogrification system) so you unlock an appearance when you get an item once and then can apply it to as many items as you like without still needing the original item each time. This unlock status could theoretically then be checked to determine whether or not you can Need for glamour reasons.

[EveK]

Sorry, if you place this in the game it would undermind many systems in place. 1. You might not to be able to outfitt your retainer(s) (with good gear) 2. Desynthis is part of the game, if you disallow players from having 2 maybe 3 of certain items, You destory desy. True example: I have many copies of the sch/smn Garuda books that I plan on breaking down for the needed mats to make the item level 95 sp. Garuda book. This is part of a system placed in the game by the DEVS. You MUST have the mats to make the items. Theres no other way. Hate to say it, If you want certain items...play the class.

The suggestion is to disallow from clicking Need, not from clicking Greed along with everyone else. No one wants to take away your ability to get the items you want for crafting, retainers, seals, whatever. But you're not more entitled to equip your retainer than the others in your party.

[EveK]

You really don't understand the core point of the Need/Greed system. Your need for an ilvl increase does not usurp the need for people's seals, desynth, glamour. I do not want this game making a check of my entire inventory every time i run a dungeon with someone who wants to easiest way to obtain gear.

Our "understandings" clearly differ. To me, things like seals, desynth, and glamour fall into the "Greed" category. "Need" only applies to a piece of equipment that is an actual upgrade. Perhaps they should just rename the button from "Need" to "Upgrade." =)

[Kuwagami]

The suggestion is to disallow from clicking Need, not from clicking Greed along with everyone else. No one wants to take away your ability to get the items you want for crafting, retainers, seals, whatever. But you're not more entitled to equip your retainer than the others in your party.

You're even less entitled to get it as it's not even an item for you most of the time.

Our "understandings" clearly differ. To me, things like seals, desynth, and glamour fall into the "Greed" category. "Need" only applies to a piece of equipment that is an actual upgrade. Perhaps they should just rename the button from "Need" to "Upgrade." =)

playing semantics ?

in this game, "greed" is "I have no right over this but I'd like it" and "need" is "I have rights on this and I want it".

deal with it.