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  1. #21
    Player
    myahele's Avatar
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    Tonrak Totorak
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    Gilgamesh
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    your suggestion will just result in less people going to dungeons/df than they are. What'll be the point of running these dungeons when you won't be able to lot on a specific gear?

    You want a gear? Go ask that job or ask if they'll be willing to pass

    I do agree on not being able to roll on minions/mounts you already have since that'll be a waste
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  2. #22
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    Dear OP. Did you know you need 80k seals for latest relic quest? Did you know that one of the best ways to get seals is to turn in dungeon drops
    Did you also know that you can desynth items that drop in dungeons?
    Did you also know that retainers can use dungeon drop items?
    Did you know there's something called glamours that can make your gear look like lower ilvl gear?

    I don't see your point, if im the only healer I have priority on healer items, then I can need if I need it or pass if I dont need it. If you wanted the healer hat then join the dungeon as healer.
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  3. #23
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    MicahZerrshia's Avatar
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    Nadja Zielle
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 100
    I had a tank in CT tonight whine the whole time about how he absolutely NEEEEEEEDS the i80 blm body because his blm is sooooo undergeared and how I should pass it just cause I have better gear. He then gave me "permission" to greed on it "if I really want it". I said its not about using the piece, its about items from desything and gc seals but he was so whiney I just said screw it and agreed to pass.

    I may be drastically over geared comparatively, but I still need it too for desynthing purposes mostly, so yes I still "need" the item, just not in the same way you do. And frankly, no one needs CT gear anymore for something other than desynth, seals or glamour. Unless you are ultra new and frankly if you are carrying relics and are i120+ in a job already anyway, you're not a new player and know where you can easily get better gear.
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  4. #24
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    Kuwagami's Avatar
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    Kuwagami Tarynke
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    Cerberus
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    Red Mage Lv 78
    if you want it, run it in the appropriate job. period.

    Desynth, GC seals, glamour are perfectly fine to need for.
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  5. #25
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    FranSeara's Avatar
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    Fran Seara
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    Ultros
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    Thaumaturge Lv 60
    Players have many reasons for need'ing gear. 1. Cos play/glamour 2. Seals 3. Desynth 4. Down right griefing!! 5. "The Fran Effect", I still use item 70,80 and 90 gear everyday....so there!! lol
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  6. #26
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    Talraen's Avatar
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    Ryelle Galashin
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    Coeurl
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    White Mage Lv 90
    The core problem here is someone getting gear they don't need over someone who actually does need it. The thing is, it's not about the person who doesn't need it, so changing how things work for them isn't fair. How about an alternate take - if you need gear above your iLvl in that slot and someone else needs it but already has a better item, then you automatically win (or it rolls among those who it would be an upgrade for). Maybe just give a +100 bonus to the roll if you need an item above your iLvl.
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  7. #27
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    Chihaya's Avatar
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    Syanonn Rias
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by EveK View Post
    That is an excellent argument for getting rid of "Need" entirely so it's just Roll/Pass (perhaps allowing party leaders to voluntarily select Need/Greed/Pass if desired but sticking with Roll/Pass for Duty Finder stuff). As it stands now, though, abusing the system giving you priority based on your CLASS is very much against the concept of "not more important than someone else's need" you're advocating.
    So by your thinking, for example, a healer wanting healer gear goes to a dungeon as healer have to roll on equal terms with people that doesn't even have healer leveled.
    Think about it... how is this a better system than rewarding people with the right class the right gear that can actually use it.
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  8. #28
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    Drako Redwyne
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    Lancer Lv 70
    No ones abusing the system. One part of Upgrading the Relic costs 40,000 GC seals and no one wants to farm FATEs to get 40,000. Its all about a players conscience if they choose to pass for another.
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  9. #29
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    Syanonn Rias
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    Balmung
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Talraen View Post
    The core problem here is someone getting gear they don't need over someone who actually does need it. The thing is, it's not about the person who doesn't need it, so changing how things work for them isn't fair. How about an alternate take - if you need gear above your iLvl in that slot and someone else needs it but already has a better item, then you automatically win (or it rolls among those who it would be an upgrade for). Maybe just give a +100 bonus to the roll if you need an item above your iLvl.
    So... the way to go is to just equip the minimal ilvl and make the run more painful for everyone?
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  10. #30
    Player Dererk's Avatar
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    Dererk Titan
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    Ultros
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Talraen View Post
    The core problem here is someone getting gear they don't need over someone who actually does need it. The thing is, it's not about the person who doesn't need it, so changing how things work for them isn't fair. How about an alternate take - if you need gear above your iLvl in that slot and someone else needs it but already has a better item, then you automatically win (or it rolls among those who it would be an upgrade for). Maybe just give a +100 bonus to the roll if you need an item above your iLvl.
    Sure lets do this.....oh wait nope not a good idea because then people would just join in the minimum item level so noooooooooooooo. Systems not broken or abused in fact I'll be needing on all tank drops I can turn in because next relic step is next week.
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