Why are people rewarded for cheating?

[allecs]

Crafting is why they cheat. lot of gil to sell to players

Gil trickles in way to slowly (because there's no real economy in this game because that would be to hard for the kiddies) unless you have a slew of workers. Like the Korean companies, then you have them undercutting you to dirt. Therefore still gaining nothing.

[ZemusM]

Gil trickles in way to slowly (because there's no real economy in this game because that would be to hard for the kiddies) unless you have a slew of workers. Like the Korean companies, then you have them undercutting you to dirt. Therefore still gaining nothing.

I would dispute that. My friend is heavy into crafting and makes millions with very little effort (Mining being his main source). You just have to watch the market. To say this game has no economy is very blind and shortsighted. It has one. Its just always is major flux. It works for people who know how to watch it and take advantage.

[silverhope]

I would dispute that. My friend is heavy into crafting and makes millions with very little effort (Mining being his main source). You just have to watch the market. To say this game has no economy is very blind and shortsighted. It has one. Its just always is major flux. It works for people who know how to watch it and take advantage.

I have to agree with this. There is alot of gil moving around you just need to find it!

[allecs]

I would dispute that. My friend is heavy into crafting and makes millions with very little effort (Mining being his main source). You just have to watch the market. To say this game has no economy is very blind and shortsighted. It has one. Its just always is major flux. It works for people who know how to watch it and take advantage.

I didn't say there wasn't an economy I said there's no real economy. I mainly craft and I have several friends that mainly craft and the money coming in is slow compared to other MMOs. That's because everyone can do everything and everyone can get everything. (That's sellable anyway). So there's a lot of supply with not much demand. I enjoy making money in every mmo, but here its just extremely slow.

[silverhope]

I didn't say there wasn't an economy I said there's no real economy. I mainly craft and I have several friends that mainly craft and the money coming in is slow compared to other MMOs. That's because everyone can do everything and everyone can get everything. (That's sellable anyway). So there's a lot of supply with not much demand. I enjoy making money in every mmo, but here its just extremely slow.

than you guys are selling the wrong things. If i want to make gil I can make alot in a day and everything sells pretty fast. Sometimes even instantly. Everyone cant do everything.. not everyone lvled all classes /gathering. But if you try and sell in a flooded market than yea your gonna have a bad time. Change it up do some math and make that gil.

[allecs]

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I don't do it any more cause I noticed there's nothing to buy. But obviously selling what everyone else is selling while people undercut like crazy is a bad idea. Its still a slow stream compared to what we are used too. We're used to rare Mats that aren't handed to everyone just for showing up. Going to take down hard bosses, getting phat lootz. But eh, I still just don't see why people cheat at this game of all games. *Shrugs*

[ZemusM]

I didn't say there wasn't an economy I said there's no real economy. I mainly craft and I have several friends that mainly craft and the money coming in is slow compared to other MMOs. That's because everyone can do everything and everyone can get everything. (That's sellable anyway). So there's a lot of supply with not much demand. I enjoy making money in every mmo, but here its just extremely slow.

Again I dispute that. There is a LOT of demand for MATERIALS on the market boards. That may be a problem on Balmung and not anywhere else with it being the most populated server that may be why your having problems. It is NOT a problem on Behemoth as of yet. and if it hasn't yet I doubt it will be.

[allecs]

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There isn't a high demand because people can just get it theirselfs if the price is too high. I've watched a few high priced mats and they just sit there until someone drastically undercuts. I've.also played on Gilgamesh, Sarg, and Hyperion. Slow trickle.

[dioxideUniversa]

They are not okay with botting. I reported a bot at The Fury's Gaze who was spiritbonding constantly, and it was gone within a week.

I do think it's the most trivial thing ever to locate bots (giant clouds of multiboxing thaumaturges everywhere,) but just because there's a ton of them doesn't mean they aren't doing anything.

[Rhas]

Gil trickles in way to slowly (because there's no real economy in this game because that would be to hard for the kiddies) unless you have a slew of workers. Like the Korean companies, then you have them undercutting you to dirt. Therefore still gaining nothing.

That's when you buy out all the undercutters and post your own prices ;P whenever I post something I rarely ever undercut. The only reason I would is if the screen is filled by 1 person posting a crap ton of 99 items just so I can actually see it. 99% of the time, I overcut (yes, I post higher prices than the bare minimum)

One example, there are 10 (items) being sold at 2999 gil for stacks of 99 the next highest price is 5450 (because someone was undercutting) I post small amount items at 5400 - 6000 in much smaller stacks. Mine sell while the stacks of 99 sit... and sit.... and sit and then I restock (not ever selling more than * of the same item at a time, ie. 6 stacks of 5 items) and keep filling it up as long as people are buying.

Honesty, I make and spend so much gil its quite pathetic. IE. I spend from 2.4 million down to 770k and 2 days later I'm back up to 2.1 mil again and keep repeating the process. Its really not hard *after* you actually sit down at the MB for a few hours actually seeing what sells the most at the highest prices daily. It will vary server to server, but the principle is still the same. Do your research and profit. Keep an eye on more than one product at a time. If you can, take advantage of market fluctuations. IE some things sell high mid week while other things sell high on weekends. What you make depends on what you actually put into it (and have the capability of making.)