Dear Ninjas

[BidoofJinh]

What I don't agree with is people expect me to push out very high damage output.

Well then I'm gonna start to not agree with people who expect me to hold aggro, which should be my job as TANK.

Though I understand this game is about fun, but every role in this game has it's certain Job. Tank tanks, DPS dps's and healer heals, simple as that. If you aren't good at doing your job, don't get surprised if people call you out on it, and "I play how I want bruh" is a lazy excuse.

[Elazu]

I don't care enough to maximum what my job can do. I play ninja how I want to play it. Same thing with the other classes.

And THIS is what's really disrespectful.

[Houston009]

Nah lol, If you ask for it, I'll give it. I don't goad those who demand it. Please and Thank you go a long way.

You should go Dragoon, no point in playing Ninja if you are going to be useless. Then again, you probably wouldn't even do Disembowel in spite of your BRD.

[FallenArisen0990]

If you aren't good at doing your job, don't get surprised if people call you out on it.

Nope, I've never been called out. I have a nice rotation pattern that works for me. I know how to do the fights Im doing cuz I want it done.

Disrespectful.

Well I don't have the patience to do my relic since its just gets more and more dumb. I don't like coils at all because its more of a chore to get done then being fun. If I get to Final Coil, cool. Do I care for the loot? Nope, I just want a clear and move on.

You should go Dragoon. Then again, you probably wouldn't even do Disembowel in spite of your BRD.

I've seen a lot of BRDs just DPS and don't do support. Do they deserve Disembowel? Not if they aren't gonna use their songs. That 20% damage is not the end of the world. I've tried DRG and that class just doesn't work for me. It's to work together and not care only about yourself.

[Sapphic]

As long as they are enjoying the game good for them.

If they are causing the other 3/7 in the party to not enjoy the game because of that attitude. Then there's a problem. If I found fun (I don't) in intentionally wiping parties, I'd be enjoying the game. Or I was a healer that never droppde out of clerics and never healed, or a tank that never took aggro I could be playing in a way I find enjoyable. Sucks for the other 3/7 players tho :P

A DPS is doing just that be performing under the minimum needed for content, any job is. I play as I want with a like minded party (eg running dungeons with crazy setups) or in single player games where my actions don't affect others.

Disclaimer: I don't play to those examples, they are just examples.

[Its_Elodie]

What? I can't see your TP to Goad you.This thread is like mad pointless because everyone just zergs everything and even in WoD you got people still trying to zerg it. Mechanics over DPS priority in my book. No one should be needing Goad in WoD. >_>;

I don't know what Wod's you get into but when I get into mine, there's usually at least 4 dps missing at any given time between the alliances because people got the loot they wanted and left or they couldn't take the usual sea of trolls the CT's have to offer and then there's the usual "Ain't nobody got time for all our parties to refill between pulls even if one of their heals are missing and they need to MT Cerberus." So the fights might drag out longer than usual and the leftover melee *can* run dry trying to meet the requirements (specifically that dragon that casts the raid wide aoe wipe if you don't kill all of the heads off in time). Next time I will be sure to elaborate more in my posts =) and yeah, I agree. A TP bar would be wonderful. Wars and melee could really use it to help look out for each other when they can.

[Luvbunny]

Yeah this whole discussion is why I stay put in Japanese server with english speaker free company... The amount of dramarama, rude behavior, the idiotic "i play how i want - stop telling me what to do - even if i completely suck at it and run around like a total idiot and have no clue on how the mechanic works - and utterly clueless on what my combo and rotation should be" - pretty much everything you would expect from the worst players. And this amount of trolling happens always half the time whenever I use duty finder... I think SE is getting rich from all those transfer fee.

[Noshpan]

When I'm playing my Ninja (or Bard), I always wish that I could see the TP of tanks & melee DPS. Otherwise, I just have to take a guess and hope I used Goad when it was most needed. I don't mind if people ask for a Goad, demanding on the other hand...

[Fenral]

"You never Goaded me, so I'm not giving you my comm." - this one WAR tank I had. Actually outright said it at the end of a run. Even though he did noting but Butcher's Block combo and Overpower the entire time, meaning I was keeping up Dancing Edge on bosses for his wonderful tank DPS.

People can make whatever demands they want, but you don't have to listen. Especially if they won't play their own Job correctly.

[Darkstride]

NIN goad always takes priority over BRD peoen. The reason for this being that your goad doesn't drop your DPS by 20%

Which I agree with mostly.. However, people seem to forget that Goad is also single target and has a cooldown. If you have a group with a majority of TP users, Goad has limited effectivess in comparison to a BRD who can buff everyone.

Also, with the cooldown, just because you're asking for Goad doesn't mean it is available.

I definitely don't see any reason to be lazy with Goad though. It's instant, just use it. The blind TP issue isn't really an issue because NIN is a TP using DPS so you should be able to roughly gauge what situations are resource intensive. You shouldn't be waiting until someone actually runs out of TP and screams for it. It'a a gradual replenishment.