Dear Ninjas

[Elazu]

It's called having fun and learning. Who learns from a video

Read her/his other posts, especially the one clearly stating "I don't agree with people demanding that I do dps on a dps class". My previous post was not in regards to reading/watching guides but towards the attitude FallenArisen has shown in this thread.

[Luvbunny]

It's called having fun and learning. Who learns from a video

Look, watching youtube video and reading description of the fight mechanics is not gonna make you a GENIUS FANTASTIC player instantly - but knowing what to expect is better than going blind. Granted, if you are a player who are seasoned, it really does not take you very long to figure out the mechanic. BUT, sadly, the majority of US players, are not "well seasoned - highly trained - pay attention to telegraphed move". These are people who DO NOT read messages/information/tips/party chat - anything that the game + helpful players trying to point out. These are the players who respond to "stop telling me what to do + i play how i want + shut up + tank better + heal better"....

[ShanaShirayuki]

Fellow Ninjas, stop using Doton on single target pls.

[Ashkendor]

Many people (myself included) don't learn from watching a damn guide. Some learn more when actually doing the fight. Who is honestly gonna sit there viewing and studying everything in the guide?

It's called having fun and learning. Who learns from a video

I don't learn very well from videos either. That doesn't mean I should completely forego watching them, though. I've found it's a lot better to watch them, get whatever you can from them (if only the names of the mechanics and to see generally what they do) then go into the fight and check it out. After you try for a bit, go back and watch the video again. It usually makes more sense. Going into something completely blind may be fun for you, but it's not fun to the rest of your party when they already have an idea of what's happening. I'm not really sure why people go into DF (or ninja into farm/clear parties) to learn rather than setting up a learning party anyway.

[Anemone_Valesti]

Elazu you are rude as well as the individuals who you are targeting. You want to know what you two have in common ? Neither of you respect the play styles of others. This whole thread is filled of individuals jumping on your bandwagon of berating individuals of another group because the way they play don't sit well with the way you play which often enough results in a shit storm being formed. Sad thing is, there are ways known by yourself as well as most to avoid this. We all can't get along, but the least we can do is respect each other even if we don't agree with another's playstyle.

If you feel like you dont give two damns about putting out the best you can, or even SEEKING out putting the Best, then don't Party with people who are, out of consideration. That shit is fucking annoying...wiping because of it. People can say a its just a game for fun, but everyones idea of fun differs greatly, and for some of us it's breaking beyond the limit of the average to achieve a certain goal, whether it's T5, T9, T13, Alexander(I can see the Fuuuture), Satasha NM etc. The Joy you get when you down Coil Bosses that gate many people is so great, and then down the stuff more efficiently than before...Hot damn. That shouldn't be taken away by someone not willing to push themselves. Dont like watching Videos because you feel you shouldn't have to because the people first completing it didn't need a Video (Decribes my best friend -_-). Are you quick to pick up on things without the video ? Then by all means...but don't drag down 7 others because you're unwilling to think about others besides yourself...

If you feel like Seeing people make mistakes that you think they shouldn't, that doesn't sit well with you while you play, then don't put yourself in a situation that will most likely expose you to that. There are a Plethora of reasons as to why someone may be performing the way that they are, reasons of which are not revealed to us beyond the actions of our Characters during gameplay that may not be as simple as " U Lag ? Upgrade Comp " or " Gitgud ". I understand these things, and because I do and rather not ask a million questions like " Do you possess any medical condition that may prevent you from performing at your best ? Have you been in any accident recently that have damaged your limbs/Fingers ? Are you playing Console and unable to do many things with a Controller ? Do Titan or (Enter Boss Name) make you relive horrible events in your past that may make you incapable of completing the The task at hand...I form a Static or Party Finder with Specific requirements, seeking individuals with the similar mindset whether it's Maxing Performance or just having fun and learning. The Duty Finder is for "Everyone" But is also where you are likely to encounter the things you dislike as it is pulling from every server.

If you find yourself unable to deal with this and see yourself coming to the forums for the sole reason of masking negativity behind trying to advise others on how to play (Not respecting each others Playstyle) Then Just don't Duty find. There are other channels one can go through which produces better results. There are some things that I absolutely refuse to use Duty Finder for because I know there is a chance, however high that I will encounter the things that will annoy me. While I found some of the points funny and not taking them seriously...I'll be lying if I said I didn't think this thread was made with the intent to vent about a specific group of individuals, and I'll be lying if I said I didn't find the bandwagon to be dicks.

TL;DR
Both sides be considerate of the other.

[Songi]

Fellow Ninjas, stop using Doton on single target pls.

Sometimes it slips out when Mudra lag happens. Better than nothing...or a Rabbit Medium /shudders.

With that said, take your time when performing your hand signs, nothing worse than having a failed Ninjutsu twice in a row and losing Huton. Your dps isn't going to be ruined that badly as long as you're staying locked on and in auto-attack range of the boss for as long as possible.

[Elazu]

Snip.

"I can't be bothered to play well" does not deserve respect. Neither does "I play how I want, regardless of how detrimental it is to my fellow party members". And that is the main issue here, especially because a pretty big part of the playerbase seems to share this attitude and does not want to hear advice or use actual strategies for boss fights. They are content with and feel entitled to be a nuisance to the other players around them.

Also, why do we, as players who do their job and put an effort into clearing the duty, need to back down from using the duty finder?

[Luvbunny]

"I can't be bothered to play well" does not deserve respect. Neither does "I play how I want, regardless of how detrimental it is to my fellow party members".

This just reminds me of those "snow flakes" summoners who wants to use Ifrit or Titan on end game "hard mode or expert" dungeon. I mean, there are reasons why certain things are regarded as more "effective" within the community, and if you play that class, you kinda expected to know your normal combo and rotation (and what pet you should use). Granted, the most optimal ways of doing may be somewhat restrictive and only give you very few variant - but it has been tested to be the most effective when it comes to outputting the most damage.

I can just see those "snow flakes" running around with "BUT I want to be DIFFERENT, I am so SPECIAL, I do what I want, I don't follow others, I know what I am doing!!" If you are indeed good, and well versed with the knowledge of your class abilities and rotation and able to come up with a slight variation of "the normal combo that is regarded effective" - then by all means do it. Not being able to clear bosses or wiping multiple times because you "want to be different" is causing griefs to other - and wasting their time - which is a very rude thing to do.

[Faelandaea]

Also, you have a Skill alled 'Goad'. It recovers one party member's TP.

Sure . . . IF someone specifically asks me to use it.

See, Bards have an advantage - we can see mana pools in the party window, so as a Bard I can activate mana song if I feel it is needed. And, yes, I will be the one to judge that so don;t go panicking and yelling for mana song when your mana pool is 3/4 full - I will ignore you. Really, with the BLM's ability to restore mana as part of their rotation and SMN/SCH is literally IMPOSSIBLE to make a dent in mana, the only ones I have to watch out for are tanks and WHM, so I'll toss it on if one of them is down to 25% mana. I main as a SCH, and I actually facepalm and chuckle when we do not have a WHM and the tanks are FM and a Bard starts popping off mana song (nothing like wasting 25% DPS to try and look cool playing a tune, eh?)

However, SE apparently does not consider Bard TP song to be important or Goad, apparently, or they'd slap in a UI to monitor the party's TP. So o9nly the party can determine how important it is. Therefore, when on NIN, if you do not ask me for Goad directly, I won't even use it. If no one asks then the PROPER and CORRECT assumption is that you are doing fine and actually know how to manage your TP (managing TP is like managing mana - it CAN be done, but no one bothers to try because they like to use Bards and NINs like crutches).

[Luvbunny]

Sure . . . IF someone specifically asks me to use it.

Yeah I can see the difference playing in US server and Japan server. The Ninjas over there give it to the tanks (if the other DPS is BLM) without you have to even ask for it. They say hello nice to meet you at the beginning of each dungeons, and pretty much aware of what their roles are (which is NOT about "I am the King of the Universe - it's all about me - I am the best - me, me, me, me, I want, want, want, everyone else can you pass lot please). Most run are pretty smooth, unless you have first timer, and if that you only need to tell them once. Granted this is not 100% all of them are perfect master race, but in general I met a higher rate of competent players in Japan servers VS US servers.