Dear Ninjas

[Darkstride]

NIN goad always takes priority over BRD peoen. The reason for this being that your goad doesn't drop your DPS by 20%

Which I agree with mostly.. However, people seem to forget that Goad is also single target and has a cooldown. If you have a group with a majority of TP users, Goad has limited effectivess in comparison to a BRD who can buff everyone.

Also, with the cooldown, just because you're asking for Goad doesn't mean it is available.

I definitely don't see any reason to be lazy with Goad though. It's instant, just use it. The blind TP issue isn't really an issue because NIN is a TP using DPS so you should be able to roughly gauge what situations are resource intensive. You shouldn't be waiting until someone actually runs out of TP and screams for it. It'a a gradual replenishment.

[Frozenbear]

Which I agree with mostly.. However, people seem to forget that Goad is also single target and has a cooldown. If you have a group with a majority of TP users, Goad has limited effectivess in comparison to a BRD who can buff everyone.

Also, with the cooldown, just because you're asking for Goad doesn't mean it is available.

I definitely don't see any reason to be lazy with Goad though. It's instant, just use it. The blind TP issue isn't really an issue because NIN is a TP using DPS so you should be able to roughly gauge what situations are resource intensive. You shouldn't be waiting until someone actually runs out of TP and screams for it. It'a a gradual replenishment.

Had this discussion with sum of the nin in my fc, the gen feeling is that you should have *some* idea when a goad might be helpfull (example: huge pulls that force a melee to use aoes or anytime you have a war in the party) instead you have a legion of narutards who just dont.

[FallenArisen0990]

SE should hand you out Mijin Gakure for your nin so noone has to bother with this mentality.

I let people play w/e they want. For Causal content, I really don't see the issue. For something like Coil or EXs, that's completely different. The way this game has become a "Oh view a guide on how to play and stuff" is really sickening. I shouldn't have to review a guide to play the game. Everything is view a guide, view a guide. Many people (myself included) don't learn from watching a damn guide. Some learn more when actually doing the fight. Who is honestly gonna sit there viewing and studying everything in the guide?

You should have *some* idea when a goad might be helpfull (example: huge pulls that force a melee to use aoes.

That's different. That's easy to gauge that any melee class is gonna need TP soon. But come to a boss fight, it's hard to tell cause my TP like never goes lower than 840.

[Elazu]

The way this game has become a "Oh view a guide on how to play and stuff" is really sickening.

What's sickening are the people that share your attitude and how you drag down your whole team because you can't be bothered to play well.

[Eidolon]

Which I agree with mostly.. However, people seem to forget that Goad is also single target and has a cooldown. If you have a group with a majority of TP users, Goad has limited effectivess in comparison to a BRD who can buff everyone.

It's pretty hard to do this in FCOB at least, but yea in some lesser content it's easier. *edit-in, in reference to the idea of having 'more than two people who need Goad'*

In a full party / Raid of FCOB, you will have (at max) 3 TP users. Bard, Melee1, Melee2. Seeing as how you have a Ninja, you only have 2 partners - Bard and Melee 1.

This is why as a NIN, you run a cycle. At the start of the fight, use Goad on Melee #1. When it comes off cooldown, use it on the bard. This doesn't account for if your WAR/PLD burns his TP out, but extending these two classes like this is the most common method for Goad use.