It's about time to add Coil story mode, isn't it ?

[Tiggy]

Then why do many wipe repeatedly at divebombs and Vote Abandon? What you say does not match what I have observed.

Witnessing an event once does not automatically mean it is a problem seen in the majority. I haven't seen a vote abandon T5 in over 6 months.

[Osiril]

Can someone explain me why so called pros-in-game dont want to se coil story mode accesed for all??
Is this that they dont want to have less applause (that ppl's think they got even applause for that?) or what??

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Can someone explain me why so called pros-in-game dont want to se coil story mode accesed for all??
Is this that they dont want to have less applause (that ppl's think they got even applause for that?) or what??

They hate the concept of anything being dumbed down for it "takes all challenge away". These are the same people who were against Atmas getting a boost in drop rate, claiming things should stay difficult.

[Tiggy]

They hate the concept of anything being dumbed down for it "takes all challenge away". These are the same people who were against Atmas getting a boost in drop rate, claiming things should stay difficult.

Over generalization of the problem lumping people into the same category trying to tie them all together even though they lack the same motivations.

For me its that T5 honestly isn't that hard anymore. It just isn't. In the last 3 months I've seen no less than 2 people 1 shot it the first time they ever went in, and 3-4 people beat it within 3 tries. It's just not that hard anymore. So for me you can't make the argument that it needs dumbed down because it already is through a combination of echo and gear. Anything more and you're basically just trying to turn it into a tank and spank. Which brings me to the second reason I don't want to see it nerfed. T5 is practice. For really basic 1 shot mechanics. Mechanics that only get worse as you move through the coil. You aren't doing anyone any favors by getting rid of the first and easiest fight to practice those types of mechanics. It doesn't get easier it only gets harder from T5 on. So for me any nerfing of T5 will just change the discussion from "please nerf t5 more" to "please nerf t6 more" and the arguments for why wouldn't change at all.

It's not all about lording the win over people, or making myself feel important. It's because T5 is a genuinely easy fight now that teaches important lessons you need to learn in order to progress further. You aren't helping people by giving it away for free. If that were the case they could just youtube the cutscenes and get literally the same result.

This negative connotation that people like you espouse are terrible generalizations fed by nothing more than your personal prejudices. It doesn't make it right, and it speaks more about you than your words did about t5.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

People wouldn't generalize if others didn't keep making caricatures of themselves time and time again. I don't care if people feel like they are special for beating the coil or if they get a prize for clearing said content. Any time a coil got nerfed, there was always an outcry. When Atmas were at their notorious low drop rate and people wanted the drop rates boosted, those who had the Atma relics insisted that people shouldn't beg for handouts. When Yoshida announced at the Las Vegas fanfest that the second coil was going to get nerfed, people complained again. When Nexus was on par with HA weapons, people complained that the casuals would get the easy way out for BiS without having to work for it. No matter how it is sliced, there will be some pro players who will not stand for old content being made easier. Those people will always exist and get noticed because they make the most noise.




The fact that you came out to give me a long winded rant on why coil content shouldn't get easier or how I wanted things easier (which I never even said) was just a big waste of time. I don't care what your stance is on the content difficulty. Someone asked why many pro players are anti nerf and I gave a simple straight answer. Don't like it? Welcome to the internet.

[Anneliese]

The outcry is a rather poor representation of what most people really think. The more indifferent people just stay silent.

[Melriss]

I think we should remove all raid content actually, it's incredibly unfair to have people who don't want to put in any effort to not get rewarded - how dare any no life nerds who spend 24/7 wiping on the same boss tell me to stop demanding everything be nerfed to the point of faceroll. The idea of a story mode is great, it should also give the best loot and be as easy as the FATE Dschubba Snacks. I'm sick to death of all these entitled elitist FCOB whiners who want to make the game incredibly difficult; I bet if they had their way, logging in would require you to do Titan Hard which is impossible.

[Mardel]

I think we should remove all raid content actually, it's incredibly unfair to have people who don't want to put in any effort to not get rewarded - how dare any no life nerds who spend 24/7 wiping on the same boss tell me to stop demanding everything be nerfed to the point of faceroll. The idea of a story mode is great, it should also give the best loot and be as easy as the FATE Dschubba Snacks. I'm sick to death of all these entitled elitist FCOB whiners who want to make the game incredibly difficult; I bet if they had their way, logging in would require you to do Titan Hard which is impossible.

I'd give you two up votes if I could for professional level sarcasm. NB4 someone takes you seriously.

[Tiggy]

People wouldn't generalize if others didn't keep making caricatures of themselves time and time again.

That however is a poor excuse for you to perpetrate the problem. You're still actively spreading the prejudice around even though you appear to know it's prejudiced. Two wrongs don't make a right. Poor justifications here.

I also like how you'd rather argue ignorance at me than actually address my response and how it wasn't just from a place of entitlement or elitism trying to hold people down, and instead you argue why it it's ok to be ignorant of all the shades of gray. Just because of other people sometimes are caricatures? That's a scapegoat and not a good one at that. You also say that you don't care about my reason. Why? Because it directly contradicts your own narrative about raiders as elitists who want to watch others suffer? The fact you don't care about other opinions is why you clearly come from a place of complete and willful ignorance about the other side of the discussion.

[Laesha]

I think adding a story mode would be great, actually!

While there are definitely plenty of players out there with the I-did-it-on-hard-so-you-should-too mentality out there, the feeling i got from the raid community wasn't that they were angry about the idea of an easier mode. They were bothered that the normal mode was nerfed instead. I had a conversation with one person in my static just the other night about how much fun the pre-nerf'ed T7 was and that we no longer have the option to play that fight. Yes, i know savage is out there. Yes, i know we could (conceivably) nerf our gear to add more challenge to the fight. But the point remains that the nerf completely changed the fight. It was a fun fight! I think T5 is still a fun fight, even though gear has made it super easy. I'd much rather see a story mode than nerfs.

Honestly, I think the implementation of a story mode would've been the far superior option.

Thankfully we're getting something like this in Heavensward =D

I often wonder if/hope it will extend to the current raids. I think a Hard Version of our 24 man raids would be amazing! And if 2.0 content is retcon'ed with this normal/hard version, coil story mode could be on the horizon ^_^