It's about time to add Coil story mode, isn't it ?

[Tiggy]

All the salty raiders in this thread not wanting to share their precious raids because it's their last resort to retain their shallow pride.

All that generalized prejudice. You're extreme stance isn't any better. The way it's them vs me isn't any better.

These kinds of comments that you just made do nothing to further the conversation. They do nothing to find a solution.

What they DO successfully is inflame and divide people. You aren't helping.

[Dererk]

All the salty raiders in this thread not wanting to share their precious raids because it's their last resort to retain their shallow pride.

The biggest problem is in MMOs if the stuff is either too easy it will kill it same if it's too hard its a delicate balance it goes like this if it's too much of one or the other.

Free to play.
Cash shop pay to win.
Rest in peace FFXIV.
YOU BLEW IT ALL UP DAM YOU DAM YOU ALL TO HELL.
end scene.

[Almalexia]

All the salty raiders in this thread not wanting to share their precious raids because it's their last resort to retain their shallow pride.

First people don't want to play the game, now they don't want to read the thread. But they still want to participate like those who do.

Mad world.

[Sapphic]

All the salty raiders in this thread not wanting to share their precious raids because it's their last resort to retain their shallow pride.

It's not about not wanting to share anything, I would love to see more of the playerbase being able to clear hard content as it would validate more resources being allocated to creating that type of content. So it would be a win-win for everyone.

What I am at the point is that there are too many who think that they should take away the only content that is targetted at players who enjoy a challenge. Whereas they could improve and tackle the content as well. No, they are too lazy and would prefer to be carried by those who can as too many do not want to put in that effort to improve their skill with the game to be able to tackle said content. It's the attitude of "We can't do it so no one else should have it" mentality that irks.

Everyone can access content, the only ones stopping them are themselves and their desire to access and take on said content. Initiative and desire is a great motivator to obtain things. You want something bad enough you will push to obtain it (outside of redicoulous wants:P).

With the two versions of 8 peep raids coming in Heavensward, I can safely say there will be same kind of complaints from some who call normal mode "too hard".

[Kinseykinz]

It's not about not wanting to share anything, I would love to see more of the playerbase being able to clear hard content as it would validate more resources being allocated to creating that type of content. So it would be a win-win for everyone.

What I am at the point is that there are too many who think that they should take away the only content that is targetted at players who enjoy a challenge. Whereas they could improve and tackle the content as well. No, they are too lazy and would prefer to be carried by those who can as too many do not want to put in that effort to improve their skill with the game to be able to tackle said content. It's the attitude of "We can't do it so no one else should have it" mentality that irks.

Everyone can access content, the only ones stopping them are themselves and their desire to access and take on said content. Initiative and desire is a great motivator to obtain things. You want something bad enough you will push to obtain it (outside of redicoulous wants:P).

With the two versions of 8 peep raids coming in Heavensward, I can safely say there will be same kind of complaints from some who call normal mode "too hard".

I don't want to take away 'challenging' content...nor do I want in any way to diminish your efforts/rewards.

And that's what IS happening right now with the current structure....new turns come out=gimp the old ones, meaning now more people can 'clear' the same content you worked hard on easily/easier.

Now if instead, they from the get-go, had a 'storymode' slightly easier version (think current turns post nerfs), and then alongside these had the 'hard' versions, you'd still have your challenging content/rewards for your effort....as I don't think storymode should really offer much of a reward. Furthermore, if they actually made 2 versions and released them from the get-go...it would mean that they could potentially make the 'hard' versions more challenging/requiring teamwork than the current endgame situations offer because they wouldn't have to worry about re-tuning the battles later (nerfing) for the general playerbase. Also, it would mean that sexy battleaxe you earned after 12-20 hours of wiping and learning mechanics remains special down the road as it would be unlikely that every tom, dick , and jane who waited for the nerf cycle to happen now also was running around with it. Basically, if you saw people with the gear from Turn x, they earned it...as opposed to now where maybe they did...maybe they got carried, maybe they waited until nerf-farming runs happened.


Still, your assumption that most who want the 2 versions want it because they simply wish to water down endgame content is wrong. It's actually the opposite...as if they were happy with watering down the current endgame, they'd be more okay with the current nerfing cycle that happens....or be complaining more that 'storymode' doesn't = new shinies. If you notice most people supporting storymode however, aren't asking for a 'different but equal' approach...they aren't asking for nice gears, or rewards or for the nerfing of hardmode, they are simply asking for a more succent version of the hardmode, that could be entered/exited without lockouts and with the content more paced for pugging. Which by the way, doesn't necessarily = faceroll either. Probably something between Normal and EX primals in challenge level is what people are expecting. So a couple wipes etc but generally puggable. But more importantly, not locked and repeatable. Basically, take the 'static' needs and 'time commitment' needs out of it.

And while yes, you are right...there might be 3.0 whiners who cry 'hard mode is too hard' well, the nice thing is, now there will be storymode for them. I really have no sympathy for them....because either they pony up and meet the challenge or realize, maybe they aren't the best 'insert job name here' player ever. I still strongly suspect, that this 'whiner' crew will be much smaller and less vocal than those wishing there weren't lockouts, needs for statics etc. And you are right, the people who really really want to challenge the endgame content, do find ways to do so....but they are fewer and far between than those 'mildly interested'/ 'just want to experience it'. So again, having both modes is win/win for everyone.

[Magis]

With the two versions of 8 peep raids coming in Heavensward, I can safely say there will be same kind of complaints from some who call normal mode "too hard".

That's the funny part. The people who are asking for 1st/2nd Coil "story mode" and bringing up Alexander as an example are going to get a rude awakening. If you think current coil 1 or 2 is hard, well too bad, Alexander "normal" or "easy" (w.e it will be called) is going to be just that. Alexander "hard" is just going to end up like Final Coil is now.

[Kuwagami]

That's the funny part. The people who are asking for 1st/2nd Coil "story mode" and bringing up Alexander as an example are going to get a rude awakening. If you think current coil 1 or 2 is hard, well too bad, Alexander "normal" or "easy" (w.e it will be called) is going to be just that. Alexander "hard" is just going to end up like Final Coil is now.

alexander easy will be SCoB nerfed + echo. Easy enough to see the story imo, considering a nerfed T9 would be meteor no longer go boom if stacked, garotte's a goner, dragon's AoE nerfed, fire/ice nerfed and no longer a one shot is 2 gt stacked (so you don't have to worry about fire at all, jsut stack all time), etc etc...

Everyone can clear a hard hitting/no insta gib mob with enough practice. It takes a bit more (aka, coordination) to clear regular coil.

[Dererk]

A story on why no story mode and NO you can't have one.

Here we have elitist raider he just wants things done no questions asked his way or highway. Not part of this forget him.

Now here we have Raider A he loves the story of coil but also the challenge it brings he study's the fights learns the rotations and where to improve he loves progress but not against lending out a helping hand now and then ( no he is not a clear seller clear sellers are trash.)

Now here we have casual raider B she likes to do coil but all ways has trouble learning the fight because of real life stuff so gets it in while she can she looks to try to build a casual ls or static that can adjust to every ones schedules and is getting progress as well as gear.

Now....we have very super casual raider C the one sadly who whines saying I pay to play this I deserve to do all end game and have a story mode for raids because they want the story and nothing else.


Now lets take a look at what raiders C has done by demanding this and some how getting his way.
SUPER EASY END GAME.
LOOSE OF PLAYERS FROM THIS.
THERE FOR FFXIV GOSE FREE TO PLAY.
PAY TO WIN CASH SHOP GIVES BEST GEAR.
REST IN PIECE FFXIV.

End game is ment to be challenging not easy.
Remember every one MMO is a very fragile entity too much story not enough of a challenge or one or the other it falls and dies.

Don't be like elitst raider or raider C. If you can't be like Raider A be like raider B. Have fun

[Sapphic]

alexander easy will be SCoB nerfed + echo. Easy enough to see the story imo, considering a nerfed T9 would be meteor no longer go boom if stacked, garotte's a goner, dragon's AoE nerfed, fire/ice nerfed and no longer a one shot is 2 gt stacked (so you don't have to worry about fire at all, jsut stack all time), etc etc...

'twill be easier to clear than normal, but look how many are still stuck on turn 5 almost 1.5 years after it was released, It has been nerfed nearly a year and with Echo, yet still see posts of players stuck there. Just try t9 DF and see for yourself. If Alex normal is going to be the same difficulty as post nerf+echo SCoB there will be some who. as another poster brought up, will have a rude awakening and be stuck on it. I'll safely guarantee that.

[TheRogueX]

It's not about not wanting to share anything, I would love to see more of the playerbase being able to clear hard content as it would validate more resources being allocated to creating that type of content. So it would be a win-win for everyone.

What I am at the point is that there are too many who think that they should take away the only content that is targetted at players who enjoy a challenge. Whereas they could improve and tackle the content as well. No, they are too lazy and would prefer to be carried by those who can as too many do not want to put in that effort to improve their skill with the game to be able to tackle said content. It's the attitude of "We can't do it so no one else should have it" mentality that irks.

Everyone can access content, the only ones stopping them are themselves and their desire to access and take on said content. Initiative and desire is a great motivator to obtain things. You want something bad enough you will push to obtain it (outside of redicoulous wants:P).

With the two versions of 8 peep raids coming in Heavensward, I can safely say there will be same kind of complaints from some who call normal mode "too hard".

You're right, it's not that you don't want to share, it's that you just completely don't understand. Admittedly, that's better, but it is still ignorance.

Giving casual players a way to experience the story in these raids long after the raids are no longer relevant does not take away anything from the "players who enjoy a challenge." They will always have high-end, very difficult stuff to do. A lot of the people you're accusing of being 'too lazy' or 'do not want to put in that effort to improve their skill' are actually unable to do so because of time constraints. You claiming that they're just lazy and unmotivated is flat-out idiotic, elitist, judgemental ignorance. You don't know these people or their reasoning. You're just making something up so that you can feel good about yourself. This is the exact same attitude that a lot of well-to-do, wealthy people have: "Oh, everyone has the same opportunity! No one has any advantages over anyone else; it's all fair!"

It's either absolute ignorant naivety, or sinister manipulation to convince people they're wrong about it.

End game is ment to be challenging not easy.
Remember every one MMO is a very fragile entity too much story not enough of a challenge or one or the other it falls and dies.

Coil and Second Coil aren't end game anymore. And with 3.0 they definitely won't be. They don't need to be challenging anymore, especially since they contain important story info and closures.

if people want to check the story of coil but don't have the skill to do it they have 2 options.

1)Practice.
2)Youtube will probably have the cutscenes.

Pretty sure there will be normal and hard mode raid in expansion so everybody wins.
Remember, easy mode exist already... it is called ECHO.

You are ignorant, just like others who make your same claims. And shut up with the youtube suggestion; it's stupid. People want to actually be involved in the events.. because, you know... there's actual story in it.