It's about time to add Coil story mode, isn't it ?

[Izsha]

Nice to see the necromancers are alive and well.

A lot of raiders aren't against a story mode. They are against Nerfing current raids. As tiggy said, t7 is gone. No one today, tomorrow or someone that starts next year will ever be able to have that experience. Any nerf that touches mechanics means if you didn't do it before X date, you never can. Nerfing coil is permanently changing content. My friend that just started this game will never experience t1 - 9 in their original, intended form. Every nerf denies experience to all future players so yeah a lot of people don't like it.

Adding a SEPARATE story mode is generally better accepted. se has stated repeatedly they will have an easy mode and hard mode in the future to accommodate this problem.

Nerfing current coil further to pseudo make a story mode: Bad. You delete an experience forever.

Creating separate easy mode: better. But only if implemented along side the hard version. (Which SE is doing for 3.0+)

Otherwise you get our Current situation. We already half assed nerfed our raid into a story mode and it has already become much more accessable. Mechanic nerfs, echo, ilvl, etc. The number of people that would benefit from this dev expenditure has already shrunk so much because the nerfs have already eased it and already destroyed the experience. Spending MORE resources just for the extreme stragglers (t5 has been outdated by over a year, 40 Ilvls, and multiple mechanic nerfs. Most people that have serious actionable interest have done it, or just need an ounce of encouragement from friends to do it) is, imho, a terribly inefficient use of dev time. It's content that caters to a small and ever shrinking demographic (see my last post).

[Zumi]

They are already adding it for 3.0. A Normal mode version of the Alexander raid that is like playing with echo/nerfs for the more casual players to see the story. The hard core players will get the hard mode Alexander raid for the actual raid gear drops. So yes you will get your story mode in 3.0.

I am pretty sure it will be very similar to how the last 3 primals are handled now. You have your story mode, Levithan, Rahmu, and Shiva, but they always called them hard mode, they don't have too many mechanics and you can power through them without wiping much. Then you get the Extremes which are actually a lot harder have mechanics you have to do or wipe, but then you get gear.

[Sapphic]

They are already adding it for 3.0. A Normal mode version of the Alexander raid that is like playing with echo/nerfs for the more casual players to see the story. The hard core players will get the hard mode Alexander raid for the actual raid gear drops. So yes you will get your story mode in 3.0.

Yet, and I can pretty safely say knowing the forums and DF, that their will be posts complaining that story/normal mode of Alex is too hard.

[matt8107t]

I don't understand why this is even a discussion. They gave everyone story mode by beating the first and second coil to death with a Nerf bat. If mechanics aren't learned how are you supposed to learn and improve for the next coil. Learning to deal with mechanics is what makes you a better player so you don't struggle with the nex t content.

[FranSeara]

I don't understand why this is even a discussion. They gave everyone story mode by beating the first and second coil to death with a Nerf bat. If mechanics aren't learned how are you supposed to learn and improve for the next coil. Learning to deal with mechanics is what makes you a better player so you don't struggle with the nex t content.

Would anyone else like to field this or should I?

[Kinseykinz]

I don't understand why this is even a discussion. They gave everyone story mode by beating the first and second coil to death with a Nerf bat. If mechanics aren't learned how are you supposed to learn and improve for the next coil. Learning to deal with mechanics is what makes you a better player so you don't struggle with the nex t content.

Here's a couple reasons why a 'Story Mode' would be better than 'the nerf bat'

1. Storymode option allows everyone who has progressed far enough within the game/storyline to actually experience the 'new' story content while it's 'fresh'. So as a whole community we all basically know what's up...and not just a select few.
2. Currently, with coil's 'lockout' system there are static and time commitment needs, that some players, regardless of their actual skill can't meet. At least this way, they can 'see' the content even if they can't actively do the hardest form of it/reap the rewards.
3. It cuts down on run sales/carrying and the general frustrations of carrying. Why? Because it lets raiders be raiders (focus on the hard versions) and lets the rest still try it without the need for farming and/or joining a skilled team.
4. It doesn't lessen the integrity of content simply because new content came out. Currently, turns 1-9 have been 'nerfed' meaning that ANYONE, regardless of their skill who trying them now is forced to do the 'nerfed' version. So whether you are a new team that only started playing last month, or someone who just feels like now they are ready to tackle this content at it's true challenge level, you don't have the opportunity. Which is a shame, because there was nothing wrong with passing Allagan Rot, or learning properly how to deal with Renulds etc, but now people don't even get the opportunity to TRY the old version. So it could be argued that in fact, they don't get the same experience/opportunity those who did it when it was 'new' did. The game should keep it's integrity even if the content is 'old'.
5. It doesn't effect the 'raiding' experience or special-ness...actually, it enhances it. If the current endgame content wasn't watered down with the release of a new turn, you'd have less people walking around in turn 1-9 gears/drops. Meaning those who DID have it, would actually be more special and have more bragging rights. As having that gear meant you actually learned the mechanics, and found others to play with...opposed to just waiting until things were 'nerfed' and/or being carried. (Carries could/would still happen of course, but to a lesser degree as many who are currently interested in the 'carry' aren't doing it to farm gear, but simply b/c they want to move on/see the story).
6. It lessens the 'rushed' feel this game's endgame currently has. Lets face it, if you need to go on a 3 month break/break from endgame in this game you are likely to:
-lose your static
-and miss challenging the current patch of endgame at it's 'true' challenge level.
-be considered 'less skilled' due to missing said content when you come back.
Which is all silly. This is a game that overall, is designed to be time consuming but at the same time encourages progression at your own pace. But at the most endgame level, this is simply not true. If you took a 3 month break from this game as an endgame raider, when you came back, you wouldn't be able to do turns 10+ in their current form...you'd have to do the gimped version. And you'd probably (if the challenge and not the gear is what you crave) feel slighly jiped. There is no logical reason to nerf this content just so others can now do it. If accessibilty is the true reason for the nerf, than what makes more sense is to offer an easier version of the same content in tandum with the 'normal/hard' version, and just make the rewards adjust accordingly.


And while I won't list this as 'reasons' in general why having a storymode option for the high-end raid content is a reasonable request, when it comes to Binding Coil specifically, there are several reasons why 1.0 veteran players especially would like to at least be able to see the storyline. As it is the key wrap-up tie in to the 1.0 story....ironically a storyline that at least in 1.0 WAS very casual oriented as it was the main storyline. So you have a bunch of players wondering about Dalamund, Lou, Bahamut and co....who were super-duper invested in that storyline, but who might not have actually done any of the 1.0 'raiding' as they were not raiders and the original storyline didn't require a raid team now kinda left on the sidelines. Which to be fair, is unlikely to happen with the Expansion's high-end content as that storyline will be brand new and not likely tied to the fall of Dalamund, but still....in this case, part of the reason people are wishing coil had a more accessible version is because they really, really, really are interested in finishing their 1.0 story (which should be fair....it's a 5 year old story arc at this point).

[Moomba33]

Now here's a topic I haven't seen in awhile.

My stance hasn't changed. A separate story mode with no loot, achievements, unlocks for normal versions of raids, ect. would be a welcome addition to me.
I would also have liked for SE to have left the normal versions of coil unerfed and without echo for groups that wanted to play them at their original challenge level.

I feel the story of Binding Coil is far more significant to FFXIV than any story gated behind difficult optional content in the single player FFs and should be seen by everyone, but of course it is SEs decision in the end.

[Zuhra]

No to story mode Coil. It would completely void the point of every tackling anything difficult in future dungeons. Getting the story to it should feel like an achievement not a right. Suck less, Get good, Get the end of the story line.

[FranSeara]

No to story mode Coil. It would completely void the point of every tackling anything difficult in future dungeons. Getting the story to it should feel like an achievement not a right. Suck less, Get good, Get the end of the story line.

Yeah!!, Stop Sucking and Git Gud you Casuls!! LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLL
Me love you to.

[Priya]

Even Blizzard realized the importance of allowing non-raiders to see the story line (LFR), and you can play through all of WoW without having a god damn clue what you're killing or why you're killing it. SE not having a no-loot-2EZ story mode DF of coil has always been surprising. Especially since the game gates you behind story quests throughout it. There is a lot of story building and "do story plz," while you level then the game is like "lol just kiddig get gud to read dis one." It's a bizarrely huge disconnect.