Once you start giving out the Carbontwines

[Ultimatecalibur]

One general question.
The expansion is due to hit in what, 2 months? 2.51 on the 24th, 2.52 late March, then 3.0?
As soon as the level cap goes to 60, the entire gearing curve will change.
Let me give you an example. In RIFT, I went into the expansion at lvl 50 with pretty much the best available gear. By lvl 55 higher quality quest rewards and dungeon drops were better than my lvl 50 raid gear. By lvl 58, common mob drops were BETTER in main stats, weapon damage, and defense, than my lvl 50 raid gear.

Different schools of design have different perspectives on that. Doing that is a scarily good way of making former Endgame content useless and XIV has a lot more of that then most games at this point. More than half the current content is level 50 "Endgame" stuff right now. At worst, i100 should be expected as Heavensward entry level gear with i130 being Alexander Raid entry gear.

How long will it take people go get from 50 to 60?
When the game launched, people went from 1 to 50 in a week. I would not be surprised if people go form 50 to 60 in a week as well.

This is a complete mystery right now.

[Moqi]

As it stands, i130 gear is a reward for FCoB.

It's not. You can get to 130 without stepping inside Coil. Dreadwyrm gear is the exclusive reward for Coil and no one is asking to make it available elsewhere. They purposefully released means items to upgrade your Ironworks outside of Coil to help people boost their item level and help them ease the difficulty if for whatever reason they can't do it at 120. So far, it's all good, catch up patch is doing its work. The problem is... where does WoD gear fit in all of this? For some, especially white mages, nowhere. It's pointless. If you could upgrade it to 130 it wouldn't be, but with mind being more important than any other stat, a 130 iron work piece with less desireable secondary stats is better than a WoD piece with the ones I would want.

People are still doing Coil now that 130 is available to people outside of Coil, so people quitting raiding is not an issue. Actually, more people could try it now that their stats are higher and have more room for errors.

[NorthernLadMSP]

While I think that non-raiders should be able to upgrade their gear, I also think that non-raid gear should either be 5-10 ilvls below raid gear and only be upgradable to the same ilvl with a raid drop OR the upgrade material can be obtainable from elsewhere BUT the upgrade item should not be obtainable in higher quantities than raiders have access to, especially not from completely braindead content, like it is now...

I totally agree. What's sad is that there are basically two options. Mindless, skilless hunts or very hard content that absolutely requires you to have a consistent, collaborative group of 7 other people you trust. There is no in-between. I can honestly say that, over the last few months of being in a group and seeing how many flakes/no-shows/rage quitters there are out there, finding that good static is probably the hardest part about FCOB, maybe even harder than the content itself.

[Altena]

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So why do you think that "raiders" should only be able to obtain said gear in FCoB? What's stopping raiders from doing WoD for gear?
Generally nothing - as I am a raider and still do WoD for gear. (Some pieces are even technically better then the i130 equivalent due to sub stats).
If your argument is that players that don't do FCoB don't "need" i130, then what is your argument for raiders to have alternative options for certain slots to better min/max their sub stats?

I think gating the strongest weapons in the game behind the final turn in the highest raid is enough to give raiders the "status". They don't need every other slot to be superior to other content.

After all - poetics gear is equivalent (and more favourable in certain slots) than Dreadwyrm gear, and you don't need to take a step into T10 to get the i130 versions this late in the patch.

Making WoD gear comparable only widens the scope for potential BiS, not just for "casual" players, but for raiders too.

I want to remind you that this game is not a competition (aside from the very small minority that push for world firsts). If you are playing for bragging rights outside of that league, then a full Dreadwyrm set isn't going to assist you on that goal.

[Ashkendor]

I totally agree. What's sad is that there are basically two options. Mindless, skilless hunts or very hard content that absolutely requires you to have a consistent, collaborative group of 7 other people you trust. There is no in-between. I can honestly say that, over the last few months of being in a group and seeing how many flakes/no-shows/rage quitters there are out there, finding that good static is probably the hardest part about FCOB, maybe even harder than the content itself.

Lol, right? The first boss of Coil is herding the same 8 people into the same instance at the same time every week.

[Elazu]

So why do you think that "raiders" should only be able to obtain said gear in FCoB? What's stopping raiders from doing WoD for gear?

What's stopping non-raiders from doing coil for gear?

[Dwill]

Because ilvl dictates BiS now? NO, the stats dictate what is BiS and WoD, ironworks and Dread all have their own stats meaning anyone of them will be BiS imo Dread still has the best stats out of all 3 sets.

Except that you know, primary stats are valued to a much higher degree than secondary stats which means iLvL has a much higher impact on BiS than have 10 Determination instead instead of 10 Spell Speed.

Honestly, Utsu, you are not doing yourself any favors at all in dispelling a stigma about raiders being elitists. In fact, you're simply making yourself look more elitist with each post you write.

Working on FCOB now, I can still safely say that people like you that hint (or flat out state) that people that don't do FCOB shouldn't get access to any way to improve their character really get on my nerves. In addition, I think your whole i130 gear is "more than just stats, it's so much more" is total BS. It's stats and e-peen and nothing more.

Everyone has access to Final Coil, nothing bar your own reasons prevent you from doing it. You want access to some of the best gear, you do the some of the hardest content in the game.

[Snugglebutt]

Just because someone disagrees with you on the subject doesn't necessarily mean they're deliberately trying to hold you back or hold you down.

That does not hold water in this case because his/her position was he/she said multiple times does not understand why people are asking for it to be opened up aka more ilvl130 options outside of coil...which would be fine if no-one told him/her their reasons why but lots of people did tell him/her why and he/she ignored them while repeating that same position. It is not the case of saying do not agree with me so must be...it is actually person x asked a question, x got their answer from multiple people but x chose to ignore it. They do not have to like the answer but it was answered multiple times.

On the second element about if cared or not, if did not care then would not have taken a stance against it or for it yet was clearly against it because very much did care, there is no take a face value when that face value is rooted in fallacy. If someone says they do not believe in god yet spends the next 10 minutes giving reasons why they think god exists...you cannot take their original comment at face value because their latter comment invalidates the former. It's the same thing here, saying do not care yet clearly cares enough to argue against having it for a long time in this thread.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Everyone has access to Final Coil, nothing bar your own reasons prevent you from doing it. You want access to some of the best gear, you do the some of the hardest content in the game.

Yawn. Generic, heard it 5,000 times in other threads, comment of the day. In addition, please learn to read, as I stated right in the comment you quoted that I am already working on FCOB. Thanks.

[Ashkendor]

That does not hold water in this case because his/her position was he/she said multiple times does not understand why people are asking for it to be opened up aka more ilvl130 options outside of coil...which would be fine if no-one told him/her their reasons why but lots of people did tell him/her why and he/she ignored them while repeating that same position.

Or maybe she truly didn't understand the answers given. Did you miss this post?

That's not my goal, my goal is to have fun, like you. And optimize my class is my way of having fun on this game. Finding the best ways to play my character is my goal to have fun while playing. Like Ash Ketchum : I WANNA BEEEEE THE VERY BEST *tududu* etc.

And okay for you example, I get it, cheers.